Re: Fence Sitting?
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Posted by: shelagh ® 05/31/2005, 10:11:04 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Hi Danny!  I think you are treading a dangerous line when you label people either "real premies" or "fence-sitters".  This is very simplistic, black and white, all or nothing kind of thinking.  Things were more complex than that, for the many who were between those two extremes--and lots of very dedicated and sincere people that I know, myself included, went in and out of different levels of understanding, trust, commitment and service, at different times.  Understood that the ashram premies have been around the longest, and quite possibly did give up the most--but I think we have to avoid this hierarchy thing of who gave the most, who lost the most, who won the most medals and such.  It was bad enough dealing with the hierarchy of favor and privilege at the time one WAS a premie!  We are all human beings with varying levels of trust, commitment, sacrifice and so on--but please avoid these simplistic labels that include some and exclude others.  You can't really measure sincerity, and you can't really measure loss.  It's a very individual thing. Also, it smacks a bit of what M used to say himself--accusing us of being "fence-sitters" if we weren't throwing everything his way, all the time!  Guilt-tripping us into more dedication, and not appreciating us for who we really were as individaul people at all.  I for one certainly don't want to be labelled this way, either as the premie I was, or as an ex.  It's been hard enough extracting myself from this trip! I'll be interested to see what you feel about this. All the best, Shelagh

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Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- Joe ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 11:54:42 ) ( 2518 bytes ) +9 Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- Babaluji ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 12:08:36 ) ( 336 bytes ) +1 Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- Joe ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 12:56:37 ) ( 605 bytes ) +1 Ok, Joe... --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 21:46:46 ) ( 484 bytes ) excellent post and at the heart of why there is an ex site --- Susan ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 12:24:53 ) ( 136 bytes ) Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- shelagh ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 13:25:21 ) ( 1422 bytes ) +1 Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- Joe ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 15:29:14 ) ( 1250 bytes ) +1 In fact, the wasted time smarts even more now --- Jim ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 15:39:09 ) ( 383 bytes ) Re: ardent followesr are loyal followers? --- Andries ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 14:42:11 ) ( 526 bytes ) We all have voices --- Thorin ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 15:42:54 ) ( 1179 bytes ) +2 Re: We all have voices --- shelagh ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 16:43:30 ) ( 650 bytes ) Thorin... you do realize that ... --- Danny ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 23:23:53 ) ( 2401 bytes ) +4 I do now and apologise --- Thorin ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 01:45:43 ) ( 1547 bytes ) +1 No need... we are all in this together --- Danny ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 09:01:47 ) ( 889 bytes ) Re: Thorin... you do realize that ... --- Jonti ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 02:43:31 ) ( 1419 bytes ) link +1 Jonti... you are an exception to the rule! LOLOL! --- Danny ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 09:10:38 ) ( 370 bytes ) enough is enough --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 06:38:51 ) ( 8779 bytes ) +7 You do rather ask for it Livia --- hamzen ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 09:14:05 ) ( 637 bytes ) Is enough ... enough? --- Danny ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 09:36:53 ) ( 1850 bytes ) +2 Re: Is enough ... enough? --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 17:43:53 ) ( 3496 bytes ) +3 Don't be stupid, Livia --- Jim ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 18:57:32 ) ( 907 bytes ) +1 Rawat, A PUBLIC HAZZARD good one Jim (no text) --- Henna ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 17:17:55 ) ( 0 bytes ) Apology??? --- Danny ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 01:16:39 ) ( 3541 bytes ) Re: Rawat is a minor public hazard but also agree with Livia --- Andries ( Sun, Jun 05, 2005, 04:28:56 ) ( 443 bytes ) +1 oh, Andries --- Henna ( Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 17:10:23 ) ( 326 bytes ) Re: Is enough ... enough? --- Rjchinook ( Sat, Jun 04, 2005, 02:43:24 ) ( 357 bytes ) Your post is rather humorous, Livia --- Jim ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 11:27:28 ) ( 1128 bytes ) +1 Re: Your post is rather humorous, Livia --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 12:43:08 ) ( 1475 bytes ) +2 Liv, small question if I may? --- Thorin ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 13:15:46 ) ( 513 bytes ) +1 Re: Liv, small question if I may? --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 17:21:54 ) ( 1451 bytes ) +2 I thought you'd retired Livia.... --- PatD ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 20:09:35 ) ( 2202 bytes ) Re: Liv, small question if I may? --- Rjchinook ( Sat, Jun 04, 2005, 04:16:16 ) ( 399 bytes ) You're not thinking clearly, Livia --- Jim ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 13:59:52 ) ( 4023 bytes ) +1 Re: You're not thinking clearly, Livia --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 17:58:02 ) ( 2147 bytes ) +3 No, Livia, you do need to be picked apart. --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 18:17:59 ) ( 848 bytes ) +1 Re: No, Livia, you do need to be picked apart. --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 19:02:22 ) ( 1355 bytes ) +2 Gosh, maybe that's true, but I always thought... --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 19:21:02 ) ( 521 bytes ) Re: No, Livia, you do need to be picked apart. --- Rjchinook ( Sat, Jun 04, 2005, 15:53:12 ) ( 1248 bytes ) Re: You're not thinking clearly, Livia --- Jim ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 19:00:42 ) ( 369 bytes ) so don't post --- Henna ( Sun, Jun 05, 2005, 01:30:53 ) ( 5 bytes ) Livia is right. I'm moving on. I've been here more than 2 years --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 16:11:18 ) ( 780 bytes ) img +4 Re:Babaluji, is that your pic? (no text) --- Andries ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 16:35:28 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 That's me, alright, Andries. The years have gone by so fast and... --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 17:30:18 ) ( 677 bytes ) ROFL! What a great joke! BABALU.... you have made my day! (no text) --- Danny ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 17:26:59 ) ( 0 bytes ) I think we should have Term Limits here at the forum --- Babaluji ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 21:50:26 ) ( 230 bytes ) Re: Livia is right. I'm moving on. I've been here more than 2 years --- bill ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 22:20:39 ) ( 200 bytes ) Livia, you are doing the same as Danny --- JHB ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 18:50:09 ) ( 1104 bytes ) +1 to John --- Livia ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 19:18:27 ) ( 1835 bytes ) +3 You're repeating that ridiculous analogy --- Jim ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 19:25:21 ) ( 668 bytes ) This is why you offend posters here, Livia --- JHB ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 00:52:52 ) ( 691 bytes ) +1 Thanks, JHB, and... --- Babaluji ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 01:39:32 ) ( 1609 bytes ) +1 Re: Thanks, JHB, and... --- Rjchinook ( Sat, Jun 04, 2005, 03:53:47 ) ( 995 bytes ) This shocks me --- Jonti ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 01:47:14 ) ( 1056 bytes ) Trying to set the parameters of the discussion... --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 07:32:30 ) ( 9567 bytes ) That age-old dilemma, Livia --- Sir Dave ( Sun, Jun 05, 2005, 13:50:16 ) ( 706 bytes ) Re: Thorin... you do realize that ... --- Sulla ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 00:57:46 ) ( 2358 bytes ) Joe, you are truly "enlightened", good posts T,S, B, S --- Henna ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 19:18:10 ) ( 3083 bytes ) link Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- Sulla ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 09:48:03 ) ( 1925 bytes ) Not invalidating - degrees of loss --- Susan ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 15:00:11 ) ( 422 bytes ) +2 Thanks, Susan. nt540356 (no text) --- shelagh ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 15:05:42 ) ( 0 bytes ) I agree, thanks Susan --- Joe ( Thu, Jun 02, 2005, 12:01:07 ) ( 294 bytes ) Re: Those who gave the most, lost the most.... --- bill ( Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 22:16:26 ) ( 562 bytes ) Re: Fence Sitting? --- Babaluji ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 12:04:29 ) ( 3696 bytes ) Re: Fence Sitting? --- Danny ( Tue, May 31, 2005, 21:00:25 ) ( 1217 bytes ) +3 Your right on Target! ~ Great Post and Great Thread! --- Hilltop ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 00:28:21 ) ( 317 bytes ) file +2 You bet, 'The Master of Bait and Switch' was a ***BEST*** --- Babaluji ( Wed, Jun 01, 2005, 00:51:49 ) ( 55 bytes ) link Oh and another thing... 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