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Posted by: Will ® 01/24/2005, 16:37:18 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Many premies have come to this forum to challenge either the actual information published on EPO, or to challenge the attitude, opinions, and feelings of ex-premies.  I do not know of a single example where one of these challenges has been successful.  In fact, most of the premie challenges have been embarassingly lame. I may be wrong.  Maybe I don't remember.  There is one minor issue that may have qualified as a premie clairification, the rabbit shooting issue.  But I don't clearly recall the opposing arguments for that issue nor which side was more accurate.  And, of course, it's a minor point. Some issues discussed here are merely a matter of opinion, for instance whether Rawat is a good public speaker or a poor one.  Yet there are premies who stay with the cult.  So I wonder about its future.  I think that the future growth of Rawat's cult will be very limited, but I also think the cult will survive in a limited way.  Human beings are subject to a disordered mental state that make cults possible.  Scientific American has just launched a new magazine called "Mind."  In the premier issue, there is an article about the belief in the occult that many adolescents go through.  They turn to such beliefs as the I Ching in order to make some sense of the larger world.  There are literally millions of people gullible enough to stay trapped in an occult view of life.   The belief in Rawat as a Perfect Master is one manifestation of this mind trap.  Most premies grow out of the cult, but I do not believe that there is any method that one can use to free a person from a cult mindset if they are still in it.  The reason is that life in its largest scope is mysterious and we do indeed have minds full of Jungian archetypes and the potential for mystical experiences.   There will always be people who find comfort in the guidance provided by spiritual authority figures and traditions. The sad thing is that there is so much suffering due to the religious instinct.  This is one of the top problems we face as individuals and in the world as a whole.  The future holds the potential and the great need for much learning and growth.  It will take a long time.

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The Future of the Rawat Cult --- Joe ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 17:01:05 ) ( 4426 bytes ) +3 Hey, maybe we can start an Ex-Premie Foundation --- Doh! ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 17:33:00 ) ( 324 bytes ) +1 No better to be a CHURCH like Elan Vital --- Joe ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:28:47 ) ( 381 bytes ) Is there a future? --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 17:49:14 ) ( 1659 bytes ) +11 Re: Is there a future? --- Toby ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:18:55 ) ( 924 bytes ) +1 WIth all due respect Toby... --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:59:14 ) ( 306 bytes ) +1 Re: WIth all due respect Toby... --- Toby ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 03:32:19 ) ( 321 bytes ) Not much of one --- Joe ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:24:57 ) ( 2789 bytes ) +2 Re: Not much of one --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:52:21 ) ( 1278 bytes ) +3 Hope of an honest life (nt) --- Susan ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:54:34 ) ( 2 bytes ) +1 I don't need to leave to have that (nt) (no text) --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:00:12 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 I did. (nt) --- Susan ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:08:18 ) ( 2 bytes ) +1 So do you want me to have an honest life, or leave? --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:54:18 ) ( 683 bytes ) +2 You made a very valid point, Jonx --- Sir Dave ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 20:15:15 ) ( 444 bytes ) +1 Re: You made a very valid point, Jonx --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 11:37:46 ) ( 348 bytes ) +1 And here's another valid point --- Neville B ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 18:52:30 ) ( 718 bytes ) You sound so confused, Jonx... --- Cynthia ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 07:48:17 ) ( 1064 bytes ) link +1 Re: You sound so confused, Jonx... --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 11:41:37 ) ( 617 bytes ) +1 Re: You sound so confused, Jonx... --- Cynthia ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 12:23:18 ) ( 736 bytes ) I appreciate your need for hope, Jonx --- Neville B ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 21:01:24 ) ( 629 bytes ) +1 Re: I appreciate your need for hope, Jonx --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:29:28 ) ( 825 bytes ) +1 There's one thing about which we can rest assured --- Neville B ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 18:30:30 ) ( 958 bytes ) +1 Re: There's one thing about which we can rest assured --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 18:10:47 ) ( 291 bytes ) It's kind of sad jonx --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 00:05:33 ) ( 1940 bytes ) Re: Did you really have being a premie? --- Paddy ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 23:21:24 ) ( 529 bytes ) +2 Well it isn't all that difficult to understand --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 00:00:21 ) ( 1189 bytes ) Re: Did you really hate being a premie? ( to Paddy ) --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 05:24:21 ) ( 828 bytes ) +1 Re: Did you really hate being a premie?( to Paddy)No.2 --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 06:11:27 ) ( 2622 bytes ) +1 Right on Lexy!!! --- Cynthia ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 06:51:25 ) ( 98 bytes ) +1 Cheap Goods, Slave Labour and loads of Money. --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:25:03 ) ( 1408 bytes ) +3 Re: Cheap Goods, Slave Labour and loads of Money. --- Cynthia ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:40:43 ) ( 642 bytes ) +2 Slogan: "The Lord of the Universe has come and all I got was this used ... --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:59:02 ) ( 161 bytes ) jumbles happened in the States too. --- dant ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 09:11:52 ) ( 651 bytes ) +1 The early fundraising --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 13:49:15 ) ( 885 bytes ) +1 hey, what? are you stalking me or something? --- dant ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 15:39:43 ) ( 112 bytes ) +2 Yeah, I know --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 15:44:24 ) ( 344 bytes ) +3 in London it was Sandwiches. --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:16:19 ) ( 235 bytes ) HEY, BEER HERE!! --- OTS ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:18:42 ) ( 247 bytes ) +2 Beer in Miami too. --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:23:55 ) ( 361 bytes ) Chicago too --- dant ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 05:22:58 ) ( 708 bytes ) Speaking of Moonies --- Thorin ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:44:29 ) ( 1215 bytes ) +2 Other cults --- PatD ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 19:39:03 ) ( 250 bytes ) Thorin---stop exaggerating!!!!!!!! --- Jethro ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 01:55:25 ) ( 381 bytes ) Mexican Claypots, Knights of Armour, Chess Boards --- Doh! ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 21:17:54 ) ( 678 bytes ) img +1 wait a second! (edited) --- dant ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 01:36:41 ) ( 472 bytes ) Do you remember the race I had, Lexy? --- Sir Dave ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 14:22:39 ) ( 538 bytes ) link +1 Lucky you survived,Sir Dave ! --- Lexy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:44:23 ) ( 790 bytes ) +1 I was also a passenger once --- Sir Dave ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 19:25:28 ) ( 451 bytes ) link +1 Just " ONCE " Sir Dave.... --- Lexy ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 03:19:33 ) ( 321 bytes ) link I was the local Jumble King --- Tempora ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 14:03:30 ) ( 1906 bytes ) +1 You go, guy !!! --- gerry ( Thu, Jan 27, 2005, 11:10:56 ) ( 128 bytes ) +2 Fun post Gerry? --- Bunny ( Thu, Jan 27, 2005, 16:56:22 ) ( 115 bytes ) +2 Re: Fun post Gerry? --- gerry ( Thu, Jan 27, 2005, 20:55:56 ) ( 94 bytes ) Don't take it so seriously, Bunny --- Tempora ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 13:13:16 ) ( 318 bytes ) A load of old bull, gerry --- Tempora ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 05:14:42 ) ( 941 bytes ) +1 No old bulls here just young steer destined to be oxen (OT) --- gerry ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 09:36:43 ) ( 1569 bytes ) +1 No, that's very interesting, gerry --- Tempora ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 13:37:39 ) ( 171 bytes ) +1 There are no others. --- gerry ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 15:55:03 ) ( 552 bytes ) A few words say a great deal, Jonx --- Sir Dave ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:17:32 ) ( 824 bytes ) +1 Re: A few words say a great deal, Jonx --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:37:09 ) ( 1118 bytes ) +2 Re: A few words say a great deal, Jonx --- Sir Dave ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:54:13 ) ( 847 bytes ) +1 Admit it, Jonx --- Neville B ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 20:22:43 ) ( 309 bytes ) Why do ex-premies freak you out so much? --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 13:12:01 ) ( 795 bytes ) +1 Where did you get the idea I'm freaked out? --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:43:24 ) ( 746 bytes ) +1 When you talked about brain tumors and the "Fu***ing dream team" --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 18:02:00 ) ( 936 bytes ) like taking cigarettes away from a person with an irreparable brain tumour --- Susan ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:50:26 ) ( 136 bytes ) +1 "Irreparable" brain tumor -- I don't get the analogy --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 14:07:16 ) ( 1117 bytes ) +1 Jonx's SAT test --- Susan ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 17:58:49 ) ( 1136 bytes ) This is an interesting observation --- PatD ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:51:01 ) ( 697 bytes ) I certainly learned something from Knowledge --- Neville B ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 19:52:01 ) ( 616 bytes ) Why we're here --- Doh! ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 23:07:00 ) ( 871 bytes ) +1 Re: Why we're here --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 16:51:46 ) ( 580 bytes ) +2 You've gotta be kidding me --- Neville B ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 19:36:56 ) ( 1637 bytes ) +2 Succinct. ****Best of**** Nominee --- gerry ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 11:51:19 ) ( 87 bytes ) Re: 'What "past actions"?' --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 17:59:51 ) ( 3204 bytes ) +1 You're a laugh, Jonx --- Neville B ( Sat, Jan 29, 2005, 04:33:00 ) ( 800 bytes ) +1 Be careful what you ask for: Prem Rawat/DECA... --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jan 29, 2005, 07:28:33 ) ( 2829 bytes ) +1 Ta, Cynthia --- Neville B ( Sat, Jan 29, 2005, 13:16:19 ) ( 107 bytes ) Trade Mark --- NikW ( Wed, Jan 26, 2005, 06:05:43 ) ( 505 bytes ) "You have learned nothing" ~ Prem Rawat's words for you... --- Hilltop ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 00:04:43 ) ( 0 bytes ) file img Jonx is your mind your greatest enemy still? --- Hilltop ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 00:24:14 ) ( 48 bytes ) file img +2 Jonx ~ Just remember that you have a debt to pay! --- Hilltop ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 00:35:29 ) ( 59 bytes ) file img Jonx, Rawat says your mind is the enemy. What does he mean? --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 18:09:45 ) ( 306 bytes ) +2 Re: Jonx, Rawat says your mind is the enemy. What does he mean? --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 16:52:32 ) ( 1081 bytes ) link +1 So you say that Rawat got it wrong, huh? --- Jim ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 17:22:15 ) ( 624 bytes ) +1 Re: So you say that Rawat got it wrong, huh? --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 18:04:34 ) ( 401 bytes ) +1 No, Jonx, YOU come on. It's a fair question -- now answer it --- Jim ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 20:11:55 ) ( 727 bytes ) Re: Jonx, Rawat says your mind is the enemy. What does he mean? --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 17:12:47 ) ( 1081 bytes ) link Is there a future? Is it me ... --- NikW ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 04:12:12 ) ( 174 bytes ) +1 maybe they just like the attention (no text) --- dant ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:52:03 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 Or maybe they are doing service, I mean doing "participation." (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 14:15:38 ) ( 0 bytes ) the future and the void --- billy ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:38:00 ) ( 3015 bytes ) +1 Re: the future and the void --- jonx ( Fri, Jan 28, 2005, 18:34:57 ) ( 2320 bytes ) +2 Re: the future and the void --- billy ( Sat, Jan 29, 2005, 11:49:13 ) ( 4758 bytes ) the disgruntled view --- billy ( Mon, Jan 31, 2005, 10:54:15 ) ( 998 bytes ) Re: The Future of the Rawat Cult --- Jonathan ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 10:01:34 ) ( 995 bytes ) I don't see a struggle --- Sir Dave ( Mon, Jan 24, 2005, 18:48:06 ) ( 1070 bytes ) link +1 Re: I don't see a struggle - freedom of pursuits --- NikW ( Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 08:00:25 ) ( 614 bytes )