Re: So what did you think stuff like this was about?
Re: So what did you think stuff like this was about? -- Jim	Top of thread		Forum

Posted by: paddy ® 08/18/2005, 20:48:50 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

I don't think I had ever seen Hans Yog Prakash until the 1990s so it certainly didn't have any effect upon me as a premie. You are misquoting me. I didn't day "no muss, no fuss". I said no guilt! You and other premies may have thought that "instructors were lifted to some exalted, surrendered state of consciousness" but I didn't. Except of course Julie Colet(te) but then I'd always adored her well before she became an initiator/instructor. But as for people like Ira Woods, Vic Marsh and that guy with the Mormon sounding name, Brigham oh yeah Arthur Brigham forget it. Exalted, puhleeese, I'd rather drink a cow dung smoothie. You are focussing on part of Rawat's message and saying that is all there was. His message was nothing if not unfocussed, rambling and incoherent. You could choose whatever you wanted almost but I didn't avoid the message you considered the real one. I listened to it and put aside those aspects I couldn't accept at the time until I either grew spiritually enough to accept them (presumably) or reject them. Once I rejected the package, why should I feel guilty? Obviously once you've rejected the whole package there is no reason to feel guilty about Rawat and his "Knowledge". You may have reasons to feel guilty for how you acted during your involvement but once again that is personal.

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I disagree --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 21:30:26 ) ( 4409 bytes ) +1 Re: I disaguilt --- paddy ( Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 21:48:51 ) ( 499 bytes ) +1 I hear you --- Jim ( Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 22:02:11 ) ( 908 bytes ) +1 Re: I hear you and I sing to you --- paddy ( Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:25:30 ) ( 1938 bytes ) +2 truth - pathless land or maze ? --- Flywithoutwings ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 03:59:35 ) ( 408 bytes ) +2 Re: ISB OT --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:51:49 ) ( 380 bytes ) OK, FWW, it's time for a vote! --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:07:13 ) ( 79 bytes ) +1 Re: Don't be ridiculous Jim --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:58:21 ) ( 688 bytes ) +1 LOLLLLLL!!! (no text) --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:08:08 ) ( 0 bytes ) I don't agree that guilt was optional --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:22:55 ) ( 897 bytes ) +2 Guilt was optional --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 11:16:34 ) ( 963 bytes ) +1 But WAS guilt really optional? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 13:19:31 ) ( 921 bytes ) +1 Re: But WAS guilt really optional? --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 14:57:14 ) ( 3919 bytes ) +2 ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:36:29 ) ( 718 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 21:53:51 ) ( 878 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 07:00:18 ) ( 649 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 08:53:34 ) ( 1377 bytes ) +2 The point is, it wasn't a popular view with RAWAT --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:25:16 ) ( 236 bytes ) +1 Re: The point is, it wasn't a popular view with RAWAT --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 16:45:14 ) ( 422 bytes ) Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 18:01:38 ) ( 1599 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 19:05:40 ) ( 421 bytes ) +1 Thanks for the clarification Steve --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 20:52:17 ) ( 519 bytes ) But Steve, didn't we have a guru or something? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:38:50 ) ( 1988 bytes ) +1 Re: But Steve, didn't we have a guru or something? --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:48:50 ) ( 3943 bytes ) +2 In a cult, only the leader can decide who's a good follower --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:00:31 ) ( 1080 bytes ) +1 Re: In a cult, only the leader can decide who's a good follower --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 21:46:19 ) ( 4239 bytes ) +1 This is a BIZARRE argument (but you're still wrong) --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 22:23:02 ) ( 4702 bytes ) +2 Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but seriously) --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 22:59:06 ) ( 217 bytes ) +1 Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but seriously) --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 11:52:04 ) ( 266 bytes ) Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but you're still wrong) --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 23:41:19 ) ( 3251 bytes ) link +1 Sorry, but that's NOT what "devotion" meant --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 11:37:46 ) ( 1854 bytes ) link +1 Let's agree to disagree --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 17:35:21 ) ( 2987 bytes ) +1 Steve, if you can look at this fairly and dispassionately .... --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:37:33 ) ( 1251 bytes ) +1 P.S. --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:49:03 ) ( 988 bytes ) +1 Re: P.S. --- Steve ( Sun, Aug 21, 2005, 17:57:57 ) ( 931 bytes ) Teachers always have different categories of followers --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:14:38 ) ( 4104 bytes ) +2 Sounds like you weren't a good premie either --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:33:33 ) ( 1519 bytes ) +1 Can Roupell come to the party? --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 13:31:36 ) ( 338 bytes ) +4 Re: Roupell was scum --- paddy ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 17:35:54 ) ( 510 bytes ) +1 Oops --- Tempora ( Sun, Aug 21, 2005, 08:21:49 ) ( 699 bytes ) A decent guy --- Marianne ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 18:33:40 ) ( 249 bytes ) Are you drunk? --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:52:56 ) ( 338 bytes ) Re: Can Roupell come to the party?:..sure --- Jethro ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 22:09:12 ) ( 185 bytes ) De (no text) --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:43:54 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: I don't agree that guilt was optional --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 17:03:19 ) ( 1755 bytes ) +1 You're distorting what I said --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:44:51 ) ( 1294 bytes ) +1 Re: You're distorting what I said --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:17:07 ) ( 1650 bytes )