Re: I hear you and I sing to you
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Posted by: paddy ® 08/18/2005, 23:25:30 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

My initial post was in response to Joe posting: "I said that cults are mostly based on fear and I stand by that, because to me, the definition of a cult is mind control, and that's done mostly out of fear." I responded that for me it was mostly fun and that the other premies certainly looked like were, and said they they were, enjoying "practising Knowledge". We agree on guilts variety 2 & 3 so enough said. "1) Guilt one had in the midst of being a premie and feeling one wasn't doing enough or wasn't pure enough, etc." "Fear too, for that matter. They went hand-in-hand. " One thing that virtually all the famous religious or mystics in theistic religions agree upon is that you can never be doing enough to approach God and you can never be pure enough. That is why when practisng a spiritual path in a sincere manner we eventually discover that we are reliant on God's grace. Some people, presumably by reason of their character find this induces guilt and fear and they are legion in the Christian tradition and others find that understanding liberating and joyful and they are probably more common in the Sufi and some Hindu traditions. I found the situation in 70's DLM joyful and liberating and if others found it guilt producing and fearful then that's the way the chips fell. (I have never gambled so I'm talking about chips from an axe when chopping timber). I am not attempting to deny your and Joe's experience I am merely insisting that it was not the only experience. I am also protesting the very strong and vehement criticism that you place upon anyone with a differing viewpoint who posts on this Forum though I was guilty of something similar last week with FlyingWithoutWings. Hand in hand we will travel The road goes for ever on Guru Maharaji ... I forget what comes next but I'm pretty sure it was a joyful song and that's what I remember. PS I no longer believe any of that religious stuff anymore BTW

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truth - pathless land or maze ? --- Flywithoutwings ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 03:59:35 ) ( 408 bytes ) +2 Re: ISB OT --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:51:49 ) ( 380 bytes ) OK, FWW, it's time for a vote! --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:07:13 ) ( 79 bytes ) +1 Re: Don't be ridiculous Jim --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:58:21 ) ( 688 bytes ) +1 LOLLLLLL!!! (no text) --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:08:08 ) ( 0 bytes ) I don't agree that guilt was optional --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:22:55 ) ( 897 bytes ) +2 Guilt was optional --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 11:16:34 ) ( 963 bytes ) +1 But WAS guilt really optional? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 13:19:31 ) ( 921 bytes ) +1 Re: But WAS guilt really optional? --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 14:57:14 ) ( 3919 bytes ) +2 ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:36:29 ) ( 718 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 21:53:51 ) ( 878 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 07:00:18 ) ( 649 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 08:53:34 ) ( 1377 bytes ) +2 The point is, it wasn't a popular view with RAWAT --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:25:16 ) ( 236 bytes ) +1 Re: The point is, it wasn't a popular view with RAWAT --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 16:45:14 ) ( 422 bytes ) Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 18:01:38 ) ( 1599 bytes ) +1 Re: ....in fact an odd kind of spiritual conceit....... --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 19:05:40 ) ( 421 bytes ) +1 Thanks for the clarification Steve --- PatD ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 20:52:17 ) ( 519 bytes ) But Steve, didn't we have a guru or something? --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:38:50 ) ( 1988 bytes ) +1 Re: But Steve, didn't we have a guru or something? --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 19:48:50 ) ( 3943 bytes ) +2 In a cult, only the leader can decide who's a good follower --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:00:31 ) ( 1080 bytes ) +1 Re: In a cult, only the leader can decide who's a good follower --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 21:46:19 ) ( 4239 bytes ) +1 This is a BIZARRE argument (but you're still wrong) --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 22:23:02 ) ( 4702 bytes ) +2 Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but seriously) --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 22:59:06 ) ( 217 bytes ) +1 Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but seriously) --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 11:52:04 ) ( 266 bytes ) Re: This is a BIZARRE argument (but you're still wrong) --- Steve ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 23:41:19 ) ( 3251 bytes ) link +1 Sorry, but that's NOT what "devotion" meant --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 11:37:46 ) ( 1854 bytes ) link +1 Let's agree to disagree --- Steve ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 17:35:21 ) ( 2987 bytes ) +1 Steve, if you can look at this fairly and dispassionately .... --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:37:33 ) ( 1251 bytes ) +1 P.S. --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:49:03 ) ( 988 bytes ) +1 Re: P.S. --- Steve ( Sun, Aug 21, 2005, 17:57:57 ) ( 931 bytes ) Teachers always have different categories of followers --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:14:38 ) ( 4104 bytes ) +2 Sounds like you weren't a good premie either --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:33:33 ) ( 1519 bytes ) +1 Can Roupell come to the party? --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 13:31:36 ) ( 338 bytes ) +4 Re: Roupell was scum --- paddy ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 17:35:54 ) ( 510 bytes ) +1 Oops --- Tempora ( Sun, Aug 21, 2005, 08:21:49 ) ( 699 bytes ) A decent guy --- Marianne ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 18:33:40 ) ( 249 bytes ) Are you drunk? --- Jim ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 21:52:56 ) ( 338 bytes ) Re: Can Roupell come to the party?:..sure --- Jethro ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 22:09:12 ) ( 185 bytes ) De (no text) --- Tempora ( Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 12:43:54 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: I don't agree that guilt was optional --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 17:03:19 ) ( 1755 bytes ) +1 You're distorting what I said --- Jim ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:44:51 ) ( 1294 bytes ) +1 Re: You're distorting what I said --- paddy ( Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:17:07 ) ( 1650 bytes )