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Re: Re: So what did you think stuff like this was about? -- paddy | Top of thread | Forum |
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I don't think I had ever seen Hans Yog Prakash until the 1990s so it certainly didn't have any effect upon me as a premie.
Fine, but surely you heard and read many similar satsangs. Take a look at the quotes on EPO. And those are just Rawat himself, for the most part. We also were inundated with extreme "guidance" from his family, mahatmas and various PAMs and organization bigwigs, all of whom parrotted and hammered the same hardcore message. You are misquoting me. I didn't day "no muss, no fuss". I said no guilt! You and other premies may have thought that "instructors were lifted to some exalted, surrendered state of consciousness" but I didn't. Except of course Julie Colet(te) but then I'd always adored her well before she became an initiator/instructor. But as for people like Ira Woods, Vic Marsh and that guy with the Mormon sounding name, Brigham oh yeah Arthur Brigham forget it. Exalted, puhleeese, I'd rather drink a cow dung smoothie. I don't see a significant difference between "no muss, no fuss" and "no guilt". Perhaps you could explain. As for what we were trained to believe about the mahatmas/initiators/instructors, I agree that eventually (probably around the time I split, actually, in the early 80s) Rawat had brought them down a few pegs but, initially, it was different. To begin, we definitely thought the Indian guys who dressed and played the part to the T were "saints". Which of course made sense as they were living conduits of Maharaji's grace, after all. They could open your third eye and give you Knowledge. So when the first four Westerners (besides the English guy, Saph, who was so early he didn't properly track on the charts) became Mahatmas we really did think they'd been "taken" by Rawat. And we wanted to go to. And we could go, provided we just became those one-in-a-million devotees. You are focussing on part of Rawat's message and saying that is all there was. His message was nothing if not unfocussed, rambling and incoherent. You could choose whatever you wanted almost but I didn't avoid the message you considered the real one. I listened to it and put aside those aspects I couldn't accept at the time until I either grew spiritually enough to accept them (presumably) or reject them. First, while I agree that Rawat was often "unfocussed, rambling and incoherent", that, too, only goes so far. He was a terrible public speaker, with bad diction, poor education and a tendency to digress at the level that only people with captive audiences fall to. All he had was his outrageous claim and a shamelessly cutsie mugging act. But, his message was always clear. It was to hate and mistrust your mind and the world and to try harder and harder and harder to cleave to him. He never contradicted this. And in terms of the program, he even clarified that often enough. We were to throw ourselves into nothing but officially-sanctioned satsang, service and meditation and turn our backs on everything else. Many years later, when he was floundering for some new twist, or something to talk about, he might have played with those edicts but by then the die was cast. If you'd been really following him for years beforehand, you were stuck. Once I rejected the package, why should I feel guilty? Obviously once you've rejected the whole package there is no reason to feel guilty about Rawat and his "Knowledge". You may have reasons to feel guilty for how you acted during your involvement but once again that is personal. The guilt any real premie necessarily felt was the guilt he embued us with. It was downright sinful to think we were doing enough, doing okay, actually getting somewhere. And, because his standards for steadfast committment and sacrifice were impossibly high, real premies felt the guilt of failing to meet them. True, we'd overcome that guilt all the time but it came back the second we entertained a doubt or worldly fantasy just a little too long or some such thing. It was a crazy moment-by-moment roller coaster but that's the one he put us on. Sorry you missed it! |
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