Joe: It's kind of hard to believe that he believed she wouldn't find out anyway, however, and, of course, it doesn't excuse the lack of backbone in lying under oath to protect himself from the rath(sic) of his wife.

Tom: And Joe is not in a position to understand how a husband would feel about his wife at all. J The EV/Amaroo solicitor had told me that that his clients were very anxious to keep the affair secret. I am pretty naïve and assumed that meant permanently. But I signed that affidavit partly because it was so ridiculous and written in EV cultspeak that I thought anyone reading it would recognise it as absurd cult propaganda. If there are any copies still on the Internet read it and see if you don’t agree. As Joe said about John’s later "apology": I couldn't care less if John thinks I'm part of a "hate group" because the whole concept is laughable and absurd, and I think John knows that. I know it too.

Jesus, Tom, maybe you are just naive, but somehow you seem to be able to engage in rather sophisiticated analysis when you want to.  But I accept that at face value, and I have always said you were in an difficulte situation, and I'm sure you really do still feel like crap for signing that affidavit, seeing how it was used to help destroy John.  Do you?

But that doesn't excuse that it was reprehensible to sell John down the river by signing it.  It's understandable, but it is not okay.  That John was in some ways also naive or maybe made mistakes, notwithstanding.

I will let that ignorant comment about relationships slide, except to say all of us who are or have been in relationships know about the dangers of hiding things, and what I probably do not understand is what it would like to be in a relationship with a member of a cult.  That I have never experienced.  But I do think the truth is even of a higher level than maintaning your relationship, which seems to be based on quite a few secrets, I guess and I guess that opened you up to a sort of blackmail. But now it's all out in the open, and that's one good thing.

And although I find it awfully hard to believe that you wouldn't think that your affidavit wouldn't come out in the open, and hard to see why you would accept the assurances of a legal shark who is confronting you in your own home and asking you sign papars you don't read, I guess it is possible that you really don't get out much.   Maybe because of the way you dress? (Smiley face follows, I assure you) 

Joe: I have a theory that premies and ex-premies are easily intimidated because on some level there is residual belief that Rawat will come and get you like the big, boogey man some day, and you deserve whatever you get because you turned your back on "the love'. It's not rational, but it's there, because we were all indoctrinated as premies that Rawat is all-powerful, all-knowing, and beyond judgment and we are not allowed to be independent human beings in his world.

Tom: I became a premie despite Rawat and though I gave it my best shot, my bullshit detector was too strong. "Darshan" was a nightmare for me because up close I didn’t like what I saw. John said that he had experienced the same but accepted the "Maharaji is the perfect mirror" concept to explain this experience away. I just tried more meditation until I finally looked around and realised no matter how personally intense and "blissful" being a premie was, we hadn’t moved in a positive direction.

Yes, but do you agree with my theory or not?  Is there any residual fear of the Lord inside there, Tom?  Even if you never had it -- which I find impossible to believe if you received knowledge and was a premie for more than 24 hours, has it rubbed off from your wife? (Simley face again follows).