What fantasy have YOU chosen?
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Posted by: jonx ® 02/06/2005, 17:19:52 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Recently, and more than once, I have criticised exs on this Forum for being too hard on premies like yourself . I have asked them to be 'balanced' and 'fair' when criticising Maharaji. However, what I see now reading your post to Neville is that the exs are right. However, what I see now reading your post to Neville is that the exs are right. You are not 'fair' or 'balanced'.  Fair? I have invested decades into Knowledge, so there is a chance I am not. On the other side are you guys. How fair and balanced are you? Look, I know the ex-premie perspective so well. Why? Because I have chewed on all the same doubts as you all have. Doubt has the power to completely realign your perspective in totally the opposite direction. You ex-premies are an insidious lot. You have worked out your story over the years, which basically is a fleshed out bog standard set of doubts. You offer your arguments supported by a mix of  heresay, theory, and fact. And you try at every opportunity to rub premies' noses in the doubt pit you are all wallowing in. "Disregard the years of love, depth, and personal growth you have had", you say to premies, "it wasn't real". "Give up the hope that the world could have peace... it was all just youthful naivity." "Stop focusing any attention inward... reality is what happens in the newspapers." And all you have to replace it with are empty platitudes and a virtual esprit du corps on the internet. For most ex-premies their definition of fairness and balance is driven by self-righteousness and moralistic value judgement. In my view when it comes to matters of the heart, fairness and balance are of little use. Winge all you want, but I'm happy the chord struck by Maharaji so many years ago still resonates, and the hope for peace still drives and inspires me. If you guys want to wallow in your indignation about everything Maharaji has not done to meet your expectations, that's a choice you make. On the other hand, in spite of your doubts about him, peace and the hope it brings is still happening. If you really want balance, that must be taken into account.

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There you go again --- Neville B ( Sun, Feb 06, 2005, 17:58:29 ) ( 434 bytes ) +1 Sorry to jump in here --- Eileen ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 12:58:34 ) ( 1415 bytes ) +5 Then what are you doing here, Eileen? --- Jim ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:51:55 ) ( 816 bytes ) +2 RIGHT: Thanks to forums, EPO I left the cult --- SilviaB ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 00:19:16 ) ( 840 bytes ) Re: Then what are you doing here, Eileen? --- Eileen ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 02:25:16 ) ( 62 bytes ) Er, sorry to jump in here Eileen --- Dermot M ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 14:21:59 ) ( 1204 bytes ) +2 Er, sorry to jump in here, Dermot --- Jonathan ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 16:42:56 ) ( 883 bytes ) +2 Wow (no text) --- Neville B ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 17:30:47 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: Er, sorry to jump in here, Dermot --- Eileen ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 02:22:21 ) ( 215 bytes ) +1 Er, sorry to jump in here, Eileen --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 08:24:15 ) ( 1498 bytes ) +3 You've written some amazing, incisive posts, Jonathan (no text) --- Neville B ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 09:19:08 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 Mutual, Neville! (plus, I need to make up for past indiscretions....) (no text) --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 09:49:07 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: Er, sorry to jump in here, Jonathan --- Cynthia ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 09:45:37 ) ( 4955 bytes ) link +1 Er, sorry to jump in here, Cynthia! --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 10:09:46 ) ( 849 bytes ) Why don't you go and ask him, Jonathan? (no text) --- Eileen ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 12:23:09 ) ( 0 bytes ) +2 Can you be just a LITTLE more honest with us, Eileen? --- Jim ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 12:42:10 ) ( 665 bytes ) That's Right, Jim! Eileen, Come ON --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 13:23:27 ) ( 2212 bytes ) link +1 Yeah, stupid, insulting, piss-take of a response. Ask him!!!!! (no text) --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 14:23:10 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 I once got a reply from Maharaj Charan Singh --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 14:41:11 ) ( 201 bytes ) +1 Re: I once got a reply from Maharaj Charan Singh --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 14:52:12 ) ( 291 bytes ) +1 Re: I once got a reply from Maharaj Charan Singh --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 16:25:12 ) ( 586 bytes ) +1 Too Funny! Also, Too Sad... --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 17:17:25 ) ( 1995 bytes ) +2 testing (no text) --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 17:58:24 ) ( 0 bytes ) That happened? --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 18:04:00 ) ( 539 bytes ) +1 Thanks, Dermot. It Happened. I Can't Make Up Stuff Like That! (no text) --- Jonathan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 18:08:33 ) ( 0 bytes ) Prem Rawat's answer ~ when questioned about marriage. --- Hilltop ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 23:22:37 ) ( 860 bytes ) Come on, Eileen --- Neville B ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 14:48:16 ) ( 779 bytes ) Re: Sorry to jump in here --- Cynthia ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 15:58:39 ) ( 1891 bytes ) +1 Re: Sorry to jump in here --- Eileen ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 02:10:02 ) ( 2445 bytes ) +2 Yeah Eileen --- Dermot M ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 06:00:25 ) ( 949 bytes ) Re: Sorry to jump in here --- Cynthia ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 06:36:59 ) ( 7319 bytes ) +1 Thanks for that perspective, Cynthia. --- Eileen ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 12:51:30 ) ( 118 bytes ) +1 Re: Thanks for that perspective, Cynthia. --- SilviaB ( Wed, Feb 09, 2005, 02:15:57 ) ( 250 bytes ) +1 Re: Thanks for that perspective, Cynthia (edited). --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 09, 2005, 04:55:24 ) ( 4100 bytes ) come on Eileen --- Susan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 02:47:43 ) ( 1961 bytes ) There's only one real answer, Jonx --- Jim ( Sun, Feb 06, 2005, 18:26:26 ) ( 1420 bytes ) Why do you assume no ex premies appreciate 'knowledge' --- hamzen ( Sun, Feb 06, 2005, 18:31:00 ) ( 744 bytes ) Re: What fantasy have YOU chosen? --- billy ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 07:21:37 ) ( 1396 bytes ) +1 Re: What fantasy have YOU chosen? --- jonx ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 14:56:58 ) ( 684 bytes ) +3 A Support Group for doubt (edited)... --- Cynthia ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 15:22:28 ) ( 1258 bytes ) +1 bravo Cynthia!!! --- Susan ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 02:59:42 ) ( 123 bytes ) Now, that really IS too dumb to merit a response (no text) --- Neville B ( Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 15:53:39 ) ( 0 bytes ) Weakness and strength --- billy ( Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 09:39:45 ) ( 1699 bytes )