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Re: I'm not the only one to see inner light...Tom did too...Jim?, JHB?, ETC? -- Joy Wisdom Top of thread Forum
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01/31/2005, 05:53:55
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"Brainwashed?  Psychotic?  Liar?  Deluded?"

Where did you get that from? I can't say that I remember people on the forum attributing the experience of meditation to any of the above. Well maybe if you dig, but it isn't a popular idea.

I've had lots of experiences meditating including seeing light. I have to say, not all were positive and certainly not all of the effects of meditating were positive, but simply for the sake of this post, let's just say they were.

The point is, all I can say from my experience alone is that I saw light when I meditated and it felt good. Anything else is an intellectual interpretation of that experience. I can't say that it is God inside me, or that it is the "real" me or it is the purpose of my life or anything else for that matter.

This is a big issue for me. If Mr. Rawat and you want to claim that Knowledge is not a philosophy or a religion, you have to leave it at that. It is an experience that some people have that sometimes makes you feel good. If you use it as proof for the existence of God, then you have stepped over into a belief system. If you want to say that everyone has a thirst inside of them and that thirst is to experience Knowledge, again that is a belief or interpretation that you put onto the meditation experience. Your experience of meditation gives you absolutely no information about anybody else. And even to claim that the experience you individually are having is the thing you were always looking for is a rationalisation. At that moment you have left the experiential for the interpretational.

You feel good, you feel frightened, you feel sad, you feel joyful, you saw light, you got bit by a dog. Those are experiences. As soon as you try to explain them, you are using your "mind" and having "concepts", and we wouldn't want to start doing that, would we?

Now back to those words like deluded, liars, brainwashed and psychotic. A premie who comes here and says that they "know" from their experience of meditation that this is God inside of them and at the same time claims that this is not a belief is deluding themselves. The answer to the God question for better or worse still remains unanswerable for us homo sapiens sapiens. You can choose to believe in God or not, but it is not provable by your experience of meditation or anything else.

As for liars, well if you want to find lies, a good place to start is the EV FAQs. I would never call anybody a liar because they say they had an experience while meditating. But when they say that the extreme worship of Rawat as a divinity was a misunderstanding and Rawat is innocent of this, they either weren't there or are indeed lying through their teeth.






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