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Susan ®

11/01/2004, 10:47:04
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 What I think you are saying---He tends to discourage the belief now. He likes people to have an experience and not label it? He does tend to discourage the words "God" but not the words "Lord" "Satguru" :Perfect Master"? He does not stop or correct people who call him "Lord" or something similar.

Can I suggest to you what I think? I think he obviously did present himself as whatever it is people think of as God. Even if that label might have been well, tricky and uncomfortable. You said you never thought he was omnicient. I seriously did. I think he said he was. I could be wrong, but where did the "omnicient, omnipresent, omnipotent" quote come from? I know it was rampant, and no one told me not to take it literally. I did. Thus, and I hate really to bring the issue up, it was VERY troubling to me when I discovered what I did about Jagdeo. Should I report to M what he already knew? I am being serious. This IS what I went through. I do not remember ever considering telling the police, though I know what would have stopped me, but I do specifically remember struggling with the omnicient problem. I felt I was being given a test sort of. I was happy when Randy said "I did the right thing" as I held him on a pedestal and felt he was more likely to know what the right thing was than I was. So some premies did think M might be omnicient. Let me tell you too, I thought that he knew who I was when I went through the Darshan line. When I went through, and the more objective, authentic, real part of me saw he was bored ( this was the part of me I thought was MIND ) it caused me great trauma. Because I felt I was evil to think such things about GMJ. I cried and cried. The premies around me thought I was in post darshan bliss. I was in post darhsan shame. This may be far from your "experience" but it was indeed mine.

I have disgressed. I think he did indeed actively, strongly and clearly he was at least as much God as we western humanoids believe Jesus Christ was. He commonly compared GMJ to JC. JC taught this K, so does he. So yes, we agree he did encourage the belief in his divinity back then.

Now, I think he does both.. I think you are saying it too. I think to outsiders, without "understanding" the belief is discouraged. He is a motivational speaker, a man who has evolved from his Indian roots. That is what he wants outsiders to see. It isn't what most outsiders actually see. Okay, so now, what do insiders see? You say, he wants them to have their own experience and understanding. You say he doesn't dissaude people in expressions ( insider meetings ) who use the divinity type labels. Hmm.

I think he is still FINE with people whose "experience" leads them to think he is divine or like a messiah. I think that he expects them to get the tacit message that you don't present this belief publically.

One BIG trap, in all cults, is this idea of "experience", what you "KNOW" supposedly. For instance, I have sadly had to do the same thing I am doing with you with mormons.  Trying to get them to think for themselves. Because it is, like it is with the former Guru, pretty damn easy to show them FACTS that if looked at logically objectively make the leader a liar.  What do they ALWAYS retreat to " I know the BOOK OF MORMON is true" they too go to the facts don't matter, I have my experience. I think their experience and yours are likely the same.

This is my question, is there anything Rawat could do or say that would make you lose your belief that he is a good man?

 







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