Let me explain this in simple language

Let me explain this in simple language
Re: Re: You actually read the affidavit before signing it? -- Tom Gubler	Top of thread		Forum

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07/02/2005, 03:27:35
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Tom,

The difference between a cult member and a person with religious beliefs is that a cult member usually has a cult leader. The cult leader directs the beliefs of the cult member. The cult member is incapable of questioning the cult leader, so the cult member accepts and rationalises any changes.

Does this answer the question you asked John?

Regarding the affidavit, I don't appreciate that you think it OK to lie for self benefit, and I strongly disagree with your generalisation that 'people continually lie for their self benefit'. I don't and I am unaware that my family, friends and colleagues do. If many of them were 'continually' lying, I reckon I would have found out by now. The affidavit you signed says this:-

A number of disgruntled former students of Maharaji have formed a group to vent their dissatisfaction with Maharaji's teachings. These people are known colloquially as "Ex-premies". The Ex-premies' stated purpose is to maintain an active campaign against Prem Rawat and to dissuade people from following his teachings.

The Ex-Premie website and chatroom serve as information centres for Ex-premies to coordinate plans to obstruct the ability of Maharaji's students to practice Knowledge, to foster illwill and negative publicity by disseminating defamatory statements about Maharaji and his students, and to interfere with Premies' rights to express to the public their experience of Knowledge. The website and chatroom contain hundreds of pages of obsessively negative statements about Maharaji and his students. They also now contain pages and extracts from documents that have surreptitiously been obtained from Elan Vital.

The Ex-Premie website is maintained by John H. Brauns, who resides in Latvia and the United Kingdom.

I am the only person other than Macgregor mentioned by name in the affidavit, and yet I have not seen a public or private apology from you for this defamation. Instead, all I get is that people continually lie for their self benefit, so it's OK.

I really think you need to examine your idea of right and wrong.

John.

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With all due respect, Tom ......... --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 12:51:44 ) ( 1347 bytes ) +2

Re: With all due respect, Jim ......... --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 19:12:15 ) ( 2863 bytes )
Re: With all due respect, Tom ......... --- nya ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 02:04:03 ) ( 1158 bytes ) +2

With all due respect, Nya ... --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 12:59:54 ) ( 870 bytes ) +2

P.S. --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 13:56:30 ) ( 132 bytes )
Actually, Nya, that was a little harsh --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 15:57:50 ) ( 149 bytes )

Re: Thanks Nya --- Tom Gubler ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 21:01:21 ) ( 109 bytes )

Re: Let me explain this in simple language --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 18:52:29 ) ( 2840 bytes ) +2

Where do go from here, Tom? --- gerry ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 19:19:37 ) ( 1108 bytes ) +1

Re: Where do go from here, Tom? --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 22:16:22 ) ( 1777 bytes ) +1

I don't want to have anything further to do with you. --- gerry ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 10:31:52 ) ( 301 bytes )

Not just theory, but personal experience --- JHB ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 02:59:54 ) ( 3860 bytes ) +2

****most pertinent comment award**** --- PatD ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 21:09:58 ) ( 1190 bytes ) +1

Thanks, but can I give St. Albans a miss? --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 02:00:59 ) ( 303 bytes )

Re: Not just theory, but personal experience --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 05:55:27 ) ( 6642 bytes ) +3

An understandable reading I would have thought --- hamzen ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 06:21:04 ) ( 205 bytes )
Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 07:21:04 ) ( 3154 bytes ) +3

Well, we know for sure Tom is a perjurer, so why stop lying now? --- gerry ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 09:16:41 ) ( 706 bytes ) +2

You need to explain the lenders information --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:03:59 ) ( 348 bytes ) +1

Re: You need to explain the lenders information: easily done --- gerry ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:39:31 ) ( 680 bytes ) +1

I never published the lenders' names --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 11:20:01 ) ( 453 bytes )

Re: Well, we know for sure Tom is a perjurer, so why stop lying now? --- george ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 13:26:58 ) ( 213 bytes )

Re: Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:00:51 ) ( 1162 bytes ) +1

Fear is fear --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:31:14 ) ( 1349 bytes )

Re: Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:10:30 ) ( 454 bytes )

To answer your other points --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:20:33 ) ( 1274 bytes ) +1

Re: To answer your other points --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 17:25:15 ) ( 1233 bytes )