Re: You actually read the affidavit before signing it?
Re: You actually read the affidavit before signing it? -- JHB	Top of thread		Forum

Posted by: Tom Gubler ® 07/01/2005, 18:05:20 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

I've dealt with much of this in the reply to Joe. Yes I guess it is perjury but luckily the only people who will charge me with that crime are the premies and as they believe the stuff is true they are, hopefully, unlikely to charge me with it. That would be interesting, both John and I going up for perjury for completely different reasons. It is possible for you to start a private prosecution of me here in Queensland if you wish but it takes a lot of money. I have absolutely dealt with my cult membership. I immersed myself for many years studying cults, modern and historical, learning where I was vulnerable and basically growing up as much as I can. However as I was married to an EV member I left the public criticism to people without family ties. It was after all 25 years ago. I have no need to read the extracts, I have read the book and many others. I understand the theories though I believe they are too narrow. I wanted to talk to someone who had lived the life. First I contacted the people at one-reality as they were premies who were prepared to discuss Knowledge and whom I obviously couldn't offend. Their answers were deeply unsatisfactory and so I thought I'd try John who had left the cult recently enough to have gone through it all and was also smart as an added bonus. Of course my wife is a member of a cult, I have never denied that. Of course premies have been indoctrinated with 30 years of satsang and the reinforcement of other premies but that is not inconsistent with premies being normal people with a religious belief in Prem Rawat and no special experience. What do you think religious belief and faith are and how do you think people come to them? The act was not bizarre. People continually lie for their self benefit, it is completely normal behaviour. Luckily for me I have not had to do it all that much in my comfortable life and that's possibly why I wasn't very good at it.

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You sound messed up-- changed to sound less "clinical" --- gerry ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 18:19:12 ) ( 925 bytes ) +4 Re: You sound like a deeply disturbed personY (no text) --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 18:53:54 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: You sound like a deeply disturbed personY (no text) --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 18:53:54 ) ( 0 bytes ) Where's your apology to Tom, Gery? --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 18:53:55 ) ( 286 bytes ) +1 Kiss my ass --- gerry ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 19:40:19 ) ( 159 bytes ) Re: You sound like a deeply disturbed person --- Tom Gubler ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 19:53:39 ) ( 728 bytes ) +1 Don't you have some perjury to commit or something? --- gerry ( Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 19:55:50 ) ( 40 bytes ) Let me explain this in simple language --- JHB ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 03:27:35 ) ( 2087 bytes ) +2 With all due respect, Tom ......... --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 12:51:44 ) ( 1347 bytes ) +2 Re: With all due respect, Jim ......... --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 19:12:15 ) ( 2863 bytes ) Re: With all due respect, Tom ......... --- nya ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 02:04:03 ) ( 1158 bytes ) +2 With all due respect, Nya ... --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 12:59:54 ) ( 870 bytes ) +2 P.S. --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 13:56:30 ) ( 132 bytes ) Actually, Nya, that was a little harsh --- Jim ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 15:57:50 ) ( 149 bytes ) Re: Thanks Nya --- Tom Gubler ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 21:01:21 ) ( 109 bytes ) Re: Let me explain this in simple language --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 18:52:29 ) ( 2840 bytes ) +2 Where do go from here, Tom? --- gerry ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 19:19:37 ) ( 1108 bytes ) +1 Re: Where do go from here, Tom? --- Tom Gubler ( Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 22:16:22 ) ( 1777 bytes ) +1 I don't want to have anything further to do with you. --- gerry ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 10:31:52 ) ( 301 bytes ) Not just theory, but personal experience --- JHB ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 02:59:54 ) ( 3860 bytes ) +2 ****most pertinent comment award**** --- PatD ( Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 21:09:58 ) ( 1190 bytes ) +1 Thanks, but can I give St. Albans a miss? --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 02:00:59 ) ( 303 bytes ) Re: Not just theory, but personal experience --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 05:55:27 ) ( 6642 bytes ) +3 An understandable reading I would have thought --- hamzen ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 06:21:04 ) ( 205 bytes ) Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 07:21:04 ) ( 3154 bytes ) +3 Well, we know for sure Tom is a perjurer, so why stop lying now? --- gerry ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 09:16:41 ) ( 706 bytes ) +2 You need to explain the lenders information --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:03:59 ) ( 348 bytes ) +1 Re: You need to explain the lenders information: easily done --- gerry ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:39:31 ) ( 680 bytes ) +1 I never published the lenders' names --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 11:20:01 ) ( 453 bytes ) Re: Well, we know for sure Tom is a perjurer, so why stop lying now? --- george ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 13:26:58 ) ( 213 bytes ) Re: Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:00:51 ) ( 1162 bytes ) +1 Fear is fear --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:31:14 ) ( 1349 bytes ) Re: Leaping to wrong judgements and prejudice --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 16:10:30 ) ( 454 bytes ) To answer your other points --- JHB ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 10:20:33 ) ( 1274 bytes ) +1 Re: To answer your other points --- Tom Gubler ( Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 17:25:15 ) ( 1233 bytes )