Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji

Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji
Re: Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji -- Mike Finch	Top of thread		Forum

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12/30/2004, 07:59:49
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Mike,
I also would like to continue the thread about academics' opinions here.

The story of Maharaji, the DLM, and Elan Vital is not only about facts (being a eye witness) but also about interpretation of facts i.e. opinions. And from an outsiders' point of view the interpretations of facts by followers are worth as much as those of ex-followers. That is why those academics' opinions are important.

Another reason why the academics are important is that they have developed concepts and ideas that help to understand your own experience. For example, you assert that you would not have said that Maharaji had power when you were a follower. In sociology charismatic authority, trust and power are strongly related. I read somewhere of a follower's site that Maharaji's does not have power, only influence. Strong, non-reciprocal influence is power, according to sociologists.

On the other hand, I have to agree with Jim Heller that in accessibility it is still quite a different subject than engineering and partial differential equations (I only know Maxwell's). And you really do not need to study the subject of the sociology of cults and NRMs to see that Maharaji is incompetent at best.

While writing this I am watching National Geographic TV that seems to feature charismatic leaders, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, General Patton.

Andries

Modified by Andries at Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 08:15:40

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I disagree about two things --- Jim ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 08:57:39 ) ( 3226 bytes ) +2

The world cult does not explain things --- Andries ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 13:14:26 ) ( 1042 bytes ) +1

Re: The world cult does not explain things --- Jim ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 14:44:24 ) ( 2491 bytes )

Re: I disagree about two things --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 04, 2005, 16:03:02 ) ( 1460 bytes ) +1

Here's why you simply MUST be wrong, jonx --- Jim ( Tue, Jan 04, 2005, 16:55:34 ) ( 2808 bytes ) +1

Re: Here's why you simply MUST be wrong, jonx --- jonx ( Wed, Jan 05, 2005, 18:27:11 ) ( 2120 bytes ) +1

Boy, Jonx, you really ran out of steam there, didn't you? --- Jim ( Wed, Jan 05, 2005, 19:21:39 ) ( 4359 bytes ) +1

Re: Boy, Jonx, you really ran out of steam there, didn't you? --- jonx ( Sat, Jan 08, 2005, 18:37:58 ) ( 2866 bytes ) +1

You missed the whole point, Jonx -- surprising, really --- Jim ( Sat, Jan 08, 2005, 20:22:16 ) ( 4044 bytes ) +1

Re: You missed the whole point, Jonx -- surprising, really --- jonx ( Sun, Jan 09, 2005, 15:14:15 ) ( 1068 bytes ) +1

You didn't answer the question, Jonx --- Jim ( Sun, Jan 09, 2005, 16:21:47 ) ( 3245 bytes ) +1

Re: You didn't answer the question, Jonx --- jonx ( Mon, Jan 10, 2005, 18:21:58 ) ( 1581 bytes ) +1

You're losing site of the ball, I'm afraid, Jonx --- Jim ( Mon, Jan 10, 2005, 20:15:41 ) ( 3264 bytes ) +1

Re: You're losing site of the ball, I'm afraid, Jonx --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 13:46:37 ) ( 7391 bytes ) +1

So Rawat's like Einstein and I'm homophobic? LOL!!!! --- Jim ( Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 15:01:27 ) ( 796 bytes ) +1

Cop out --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 17:04:52 ) ( 97 bytes ) +1

If that's your honest opinion, so be it --- Jim ( Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 17:33:27 ) ( 341 bytes ) +1

Re: If that's your honest opinion, so be it --- jonx ( Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 17:48:00 ) ( 456 bytes )

Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji --- Cynthia ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 09:54:38 ) ( 1602 bytes ) +2

Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji --- Toby ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 11:04:36 ) ( 933 bytes ) +1

Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji --- Jim ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 11:08:12 ) ( 189 bytes ) +2

How do you know that that is accurate Jim? --- Andries ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 11:36:42 ) ( 474 bytes ) +1

I've read enough to know --- Jim ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 21:25:04 ) ( 349 bytes )

Re: Dr. Reender Kranenborg about Guru Maharaj Ji --- Toby ( Thu, Dec 30, 2004, 11:39:34 ) ( 557 bytes )

Why treat NRM scholars as enemies? Barrett & I do have some questions for... --- Andries ( Fri, Dec 31, 2004, 10:52:12 ) ( 2234 bytes ) +2

The real question is why treat them like SCHOLARS? --- Jim ( Fri, Dec 31, 2004, 13:57:10 ) ( 249 bytes )
Re: Why treat NRM scholars as enemies? Barrett & I do have some questions... --- Cynthia ( Fri, Dec 31, 2004, 14:05:39 ) ( 1773 bytes ) +1

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Raising our glasses to you, Lexy ... --- cq ( Sun, Jan 02, 2005, 12:10:52 ) ( 117 bytes ) +1

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