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Yes and i don't think they will ever be a real problem for the established encyclopdias , i think one advertisement in the tv with some negative examples e.g. "The Prem Rawat Article?" and some background about the fight for power and donations behind the curtain, the misuse of sysop rights, influencing and manipulation by the major wikipedians, and the one i told you is high on the top, and this is it. In the end some kind of community portal will remain, with some lunies that dream about a better world for pedophiles, cults,,whatever.....toby
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