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Re: Will Ron Repent - the Ronald McButtal Papers -- Emile | Top of thread | Forum |
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Hello ‘Emile’. I first knew Ron Geaves in 1974 when he was sent to Israel to propagate for Prem Rowatt. There was only a hand full of people who were premies there at that time. Being one of the only premies with a car, I had the honourable service of driving him around the country so that he could spread the word and we also showed the film (that never existed!!) ‘Satguru has come’ to Israelis and Arabs alike. At that time Ron was the supreme devotee living only for his Lord always trying get personal agya(personal direction from Prem). Ron was virtually worshipped in Israel by many of the premies; he was often called ‘mahatma Ron’. That was the closest Ron ever got to being a mahatma, which was his dearest wish. But, in spite of all that, he was a fierce independent thinker and he could never entirely surrender his independent thinking to his Lord. For example, when we all went to the Copenhagen festival (1974), Ron requested agya from Prem. I don’t remember whether he got it directly from Prem or via his brother Dharma Pal(Raja Ji) (who Ron believed was as incarnation of Brahma or Vishnu). Anyway, the agya was “Go to Italy”. When Ron received the agya, he was outraged and said to me “Have you ever heard of a more ridiculous agya?”.
I lived for a while in at least 2 ashrams with Ron (Acton (London) and Leeds) and shared a room with him. On the one side I was personally enthralled with all his stories of being around the Master and on the other side he was, for much of the time, in much pain that he was not a made a mahatma. He was always hoping to be ’called’. As far as I know that never happened.
One could speculate that he pursued this career as a second best, I am saying this because I did the same (and failed!). I know that at least initially, Ron never had any gripes with ex-premies as such. I am saying this because when I had a court case against the college I lectured at, Ron together with several other academics, gave me written support when he knew that I wasn’t with Maharaji any more. A few years ago, when the unspeakable acts of Jagdeo became public, I met Ron at a wedding and I put the conversation up on the forum(can’t remember which one 4 or 5). Ron phoned me up and was furious that I had put up the conversation. He said that if I were in front if him he would punch me on the nose. The main thing he was angry about was that his name was on the forum, which he didn’t want. He also said that he would now have to resign ‘his service’. I never did understand why. In that conversation at the wedding, I asked Ron what he thought about Jagdeo, he said regarding the paedophilia “He is it up to his neck”. He told me he had seen two reports from different parts of the world. He seemed genuinely disgusted at Jagdeos behaviour, HOWEVER not half as disgusted as he was about someone putting up a (doctored?)picture of Maharaji with enormous boobs!!! I just read the web site you put up of his, and think that Ron's website is hogwash. If he was in any way sincere he would have vigorously condemned the acts by premies against named ex-premies at their work places, which is what he was complaining about against him. I am sad to say that Ron has earned the name of ‘Maharajis Goebels’ which I heard from a former premie that recently returned from India. It is called ‘divine deception’ by Hare Krisha. Scientology and some Christain-based cults. Oh yes, one last thing about my conversation with Ron. When I asked him if he ever believed that Maharaji was ‘The Lord’, he blushed, looked down and shook his head, signifying ‘NO’. I just could not believe he had the gall to that to me, who he had spent hours telling me about the ‘Living Lord’. So, in conclusion to your question "Is Ron just a really gullible nice guy who actually believes this stuff he's writing is true or is he deliberately lying for a higher cause, protecting the Living Perfect Master? At the moment I'd have to go for number 2. "
Regards Jethro Modified by Jethro at Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 10:11:13 |
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