I don't have time to answer your post at the moment and I'm waiting for Heller to return from his hols but fortunately I've recently been wondering about this question and I realised that neither John or Jim or Joe or even Jonx are the experts on who was or was not a premie or a "good premie" or a "real premie". The person who decided that in the DLM days was indeed the Perfect maste and Lord of the universe now known as Prem Rawat. Well it was a long time ago and my memory isn't perfect so I went back to the source to find out whether it was those of us who loved satsang, service and meditation and were "blissed out" or you whining, moaning, guilt-ridden, fearful types who were in your minds about Sant Ji being the vengeful messiah who had the true understanding from the heart.Guess what the answer is?