Stealing Documents: I See a Moral Man
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Posted by: Jonathan ® 02/02/2005, 08:58:25 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Neville writes: Let's be clear: stealing documents is stupid. It left John wide open to legal attack. We've been warned. I disagree. Stealing documents sometimes has a positive effect. For example, stolen documents from the US tobacco industry helped many Americans learn the truth about the effects of smoking. Ultimately, tobacco companies were brought to justice for their egregious business practices. Mr. MacGregor's apology notwithstanding, he is a hero in my book. His whistle blowing maneuver helped countless people learn the truth about Rawat.  In rare cases like this one, the truth is more important than one's individual concerns about propriety. I liken John to Jeffrey Wigand, the former tobacco executive who blew the whistle on tobacco companies secretive efforts to get Americans addicted to nicotine. Mr. Wigand, like Mr. MacGregor, endured lawsuits, smear campaigns, and death threats by the companies he faced. Despite the Queensland Judge's conclusion, the MacGregor documents prove that IRCC ownership is in the hands of Rawat.  The documents clearly spell out the truth, namely that Rawat collects personal profit from IRCC, while duplicitously calling his US companies "non-profit." The US Internal Revenue Service ought to give Mr. MacGregor their highest award for whistle blowing excellence on a fake non-profit organization. John's apology needs to be understood in the context of him being a whistle-blower.  It is not easy for one person to take on a multi-million dollar corporation. The apology aside, Rawat and Elan Vital are much more harmful to the world than an individual publishing stolen documents.  While the ends do not justify the means, in my opinion John did nothing wrong, in light of Rawat's defrauding the IRS. MacGregor helped people gain a clear understanding of Rawat's menace to society, through his manipulation of tax law, IRCC profit, and premie donations. If anyone is interested, I would like to set up a fund for Mr. MacGregor's legal fees.  I have some things I can donate to an online auction (Ebay) to help raise money.  If this is a viable idea, please let me know, so we can get started.   Related link: Dr. Jeffrey Wigand Modified by Jonathan at Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:53:43

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Please don't encourage breaking the law... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:08:09 ) ( 686 bytes ) +1 I Strongly Encourage Breaking The Law in Certain Situations.... --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:40:55 ) ( 2352 bytes ) +2 Jonathan, It's not your place to encourage --- JHB ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:03:59 ) ( 905 bytes ) +3 Thank you John... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:12:20 ) ( 370 bytes ) +1 Re: Thank you John... --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:36:39 ) ( 433 bytes ) Oh Yes it IS! --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:24:21 ) ( 1571 bytes ) +1 Oh Yes it IS! & Some Facts --- NikW ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:57:44 ) ( 2136 bytes ) +1 Re: Oh Yes it IS! & Some Facts --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 13:05:39 ) ( 917 bytes ) Point of order --- Candy ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 16:58:15 ) ( 1067 bytes ) +1 Re: Point of order --- JHB ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 17:19:40 ) ( 533 bytes ) +1 Re: Point of order --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 17:41:43 ) ( 876 bytes ) +2 Re: Point of order --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 19:33:54 ) ( 1704 bytes ) Exactly, the documents were not a smoking gun to a crime! --- Babaluji ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 22:40:29 ) ( 592 bytes ) +1 Re: Exactly, the documents were not a smoking gun to a crime! --- Jonathan ( Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 08:35:08 ) ( 522 bytes ) link but this is not the situation --- Susan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:22:53 ) ( 1247 bytes ) +2 Re: but this is not the situation --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:50:29 ) ( 654 bytes ) Right on Susan --- Joe ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 12:51:00 ) ( 1268 bytes ) Are you kidding? --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:32:52 ) ( 476 bytes ) +1 Just Pretending to be Clueless and Heartless, Jim? --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:52:29 ) ( 860 bytes ) +1 You're not thinking clearly, Jonathan --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 10:57:20 ) ( 173 bytes ) +1 You're not thinking (period), Jim --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:05:54 ) ( 468 bytes ) +2 That's pretty cold, Jonathan... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:31:53 ) ( 229 bytes ) +1 Re: That's pretty cold, Jonathan... --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 11:39:41 ) ( 113 bytes ) +1 Sorry, I'll try.. --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 12:52:58 ) ( 1206 bytes ) +1 Re: Sorry, I'll try.. --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:05:41 ) ( 839 bytes ) Sorry, Jonathan, but you are SO MUCH not getting it --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 13:13:46 ) ( 782 bytes ) +2 And besides that... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 13:21:49 ) ( 327 bytes ) +1 Re: And besides that... --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 13:48:22 ) ( 895 bytes ) +1 I'm getting really sick of this polarization accusation. --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:00:20 ) ( 138 bytes ) +2 My 2c fwiw --- Thorin ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:25:32 ) ( 1323 bytes ) +3 No way --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:28:51 ) ( 264 bytes ) +1 Obviously a ring fence is required --- Thorin ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:37:07 ) ( 766 bytes ) +1 I agree about all but the money --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:51:58 ) ( 2064 bytes ) +1 Good points Jim --- Thorin ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 15:15:34 ) ( 681 bytes ) +1 Good points, T --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 15:35:02 ) ( 892 bytes ) Re: My 2c fwiw --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:37:16 ) ( 844 bytes ) I don't think so... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 15:07:40 ) ( 1240 bytes ) I Thought I Was Being Original --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:26:41 ) ( 324 bytes ) But, Jim but YOU are SO MUCH not getting it, RE: MORALITY! --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 13:33:55 ) ( 1313 bytes ) +2 Jonathan, you're responsible for this stupid argument -- stop it --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:04:22 ) ( 516 bytes ) +1 Jim, you're the one responsible for most stupidity on this forum, so stop it --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:17:27 ) ( 812 bytes ) +1 Okay, I've got it --- Jim ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:21:14 ) ( 88 bytes ) +1 Re: Okay, I've got it X 2 --- Jonathan ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:53:11 ) ( 518 bytes ) Jonathan, there are two women... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 14:06:30 ) ( 265 bytes )