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Posted by: Andries ® 01/17/2005, 11:11:45 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

''What incentives would they have to lie? - to remove responsibility for their own actions - they need a way to explain to themselves and others why they were so stupid to spend 10, 20, 30 years in a "cult" - to portray themselves as "victims" of the nefarious "cult leader" (i.e. if the leader was nefarious, then I was a victim. If the leader is a good guy, and I left after 20 years then I am a moron. So I paint the picture of a "destructive cult" and then I am OK. So obvious)'' I agree with you and disagree with Jim that ex-members may unconsciously distort the truth for those reasons. But you cannot generalize about the reliability of their testimonies: it is crazy to assert that ex-members cannot tell the truth, regardless of their efforts to present a fair, balanced picture. In contrast to what you write, I did not need to explain to anyone why I left the cult. I could have left quietly if I wanted but I felt devasted and wanted to understand how I could have been so wrong and at the same time so certain of being right. In contrast to what you write, I accept that I have been stupid, which is, I have to admit, a blow to my self esteem. You seem to suggest that the word victim is wrong even if there is proven systematic deception, such as with Sathya Sai Baba's materializations. Please explain why. Andries Modified by Andries at Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 11:21:41

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Re: Reasons for --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 11:20:38 ) ( 4336 bytes ) +4 And the reference is - --- NikW ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 12:01:59 ) ( 404 bytes ) link Re: Reasons for --- Toby ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 12:13:54 ) ( 919 bytes ) Comments to Bryan Ronald Wilson's article --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 13:18:14 ) ( 5956 bytes ) +1 Your comments --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:34:56 ) ( 2088 bytes ) +3 Re: Premie divorce --- Paddy ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:53:33 ) ( 499 bytes ) Re: Your comments --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 15:08:50 ) ( 1772 bytes ) Hey Ya.one --- Pat W ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 16:33:27 ) ( 3275 bytes ) Re: Failures of Bryanism --- Paddy ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:38:15 ) ( 2947 bytes ) +1 Re: Failures of Bryanism --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 15:04:34 ) ( 1181 bytes ) +2 The fingers of three hands, you say? --- cq ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 16:34:41 ) ( 146 bytes ) +1 Re: The fingers of three hands, you say? --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 17:09:51 ) ( 8 bytes ) +1 You waiting for two fingers of one hand then? (no text) --- cq ( Tue, Jan 18, 2005, 16:14:21 ) ( 0 bytes ) Re: Failures of Bryanism --- Pat W ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 17:25:52 ) ( 2719 bytes ) +1 if you don't help them, you are an accomplice to their dysfunction. --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 18:10:18 ) ( 1543 bytes ) +2 Re: if you don't help them, you are an accomplice to their dysfunction. --- Pat W ( Tue, Jan 18, 2005, 05:44:34 ) ( 5343 bytes ) +1 Re: if you don't help them, you are an accomplice to their dysfunction. --- gerry ( Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 10:40:20 ) ( 639 bytes ) Re: freedom to love, freedom to feel. --- creativejani ( Tue, Jan 18, 2005, 19:29:25 ) ( 1044 bytes ) Bryan Ronald Wilson --- Dermot M ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 12:27:45 ) ( 1665 bytes ) +1 Re: Bryan Ronald Wilson, very true what you wrote, I believe (NT) (no text) --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 13:25:58 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 Very true in one way --- Dermot M ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:00:46 ) ( 746 bytes ) +1 Re: I feel very upset by such general statements --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:15:36 ) ( 1186 bytes ) +3 Re: I feel very upset by such general statements --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:35:59 ) ( 25 bytes ) +1 Re: I feel very upset by such general statements --- Toby ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:55:05 ) ( 65 bytes ) Re: Andries - have another think --- Paddy ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:49:22 ) ( 1028 bytes ) +2 Paddy, Please read private message (NT) (no text) --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 15:52:20 ) ( 0 bytes ) NRMs and cults: potentially harmful combinations of intensity and unpredictab... --- Andries ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 16:13:19 ) ( 380 bytes ) If we are all liars then Ya One is a Cult Apologist too-Read this and don't w... --- Pat W ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 14:54:14 ) ( 9773 bytes ) link +1 check your sources LOL! --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 17:06:45 ) ( 1269 bytes ) link +2 What's even funnier --- Dermot M ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 17:53:18 ) ( 781 bytes ) So your source was a Scientology site? Also LOL --- Pat W ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 18:03:14 ) ( 273 bytes ) +1 Re: So your source was a Scientology site? Also LOL --- yadot1 ( Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 18:19:19 ) ( 474 bytes )