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German politics at its finest --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 05:23:56 ) (10 reads) ( 820 bytes ) link +1

this is why Germany should never --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 05:48:57 ) (8 reads) ( 329 bytes ) link

I really don't understand the polls. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:15:21 ) (15 reads) ( 693 bytes ) +1

Berlin, Pennsylvania.. --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 02:17:50 ) (11 reads) ( 795 bytes )

A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:18:08 ) (54 reads) ( 1638 bytes ) link +11

Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:51:53 ) (26 reads) ( 257 bytes ) +1
- Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:08:07 ) (20 reads) ( 623 bytes ) +1
  - And the original series... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:18:26 ) (20 reads) ( 465 bytes ) link +1
    - Interesting ....and it also --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:37:29 ) (21 reads) ( 229 bytes ) +2
      - Captain Picard zooms back to see Caligula give a porn mag --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 21:04:32 ) (17 reads) ( 493 bytes )
      - Interesting essay on Waugh. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 22:49:15 ) (20 reads) ( 433 bytes ) link
Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:31:16 ) (8 reads) ( 490 bytes ) +1
- Yep, Snow-white --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:58:16 ) (19 reads) ( 861 bytes ) +2
  - Dermot --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 02:41:48 ) (9 reads) ( 164 bytes ) img
  - Don't you mean to the Tacitus text? --- anthony ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 06:22:39 ) (3 reads) ( 1461 bytes )
I'll probably give it a miss --- anthony ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 03:21:37 ) (14 reads) ( 2929 bytes )

Obama in Germany --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:20:42 ) (41 reads) ( 127 bytes ) file img +26

And another. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:22:11 ) (33 reads) ( 57 bytes ) file img
That's What "Proud to be an American" Looks Like --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:28:07 ) (25 reads) ( 24 bytes )
Guru Puja or Hans Jayanti? (no text) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:43:04 ) (4 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
- Heh. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:35:38 ) (25 reads) ( 608 bytes ) link +1
  - Tirades from the radical catholic.....funny --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:49:45 ) (26 reads) ( 471 bytes ) link +3
    - Why would it "piss you off" Joe? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:06:38 ) (15 reads) ( 1051 bytes ) +1
      - Um, Scott, it's the soldiers deaths that piss me off, not Maggie (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:30:48 ) (3 reads) ( 0 bytes )
    - Actually, I definitely read even a staunch Obama follower --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:09:31 ) (23 reads) ( 1347 bytes ) +1
      - Advice to Obama: " Well all right! , well all right!, well all right" --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:02:51 ) (25 reads) ( 1087 bytes ) link +2
        
        Yeah, appropriately it was on April Fools day, too. (no text) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:09:41 ) (3 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Yeah, appropriately it was on April Fools day, too. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:23:03 ) (9 reads) ( 753 bytes )
        
        Like I said, Dermot, Obama might well lose. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:33:23 ) (12 reads) ( 20 bytes ) +1
        
        But guess what they've started to call him this side of the pond.... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:53:15 ) (17 reads) ( 90 bytes ) +1
        
        Yeah, but road rage is also a "Phenomenon" --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:11:26 ) (12 reads) ( 79 bytes ) +1
        
        You hate to even give an inch, don't you.. hahaha. (nt) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:13:50 ) (6 reads) ( 5 bytes ) +1
        
        Hey, I thought I was... (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:18:49 ) (5 reads) ( 0 bytes )
    - I actually don't think this "pisses Joe off" at all. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:10:50 ) (20 reads) ( 307 bytes ) +2
      - Here's the graph of US deaths, by month. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:48:47 ) (21 reads) ( 597 bytes ) link +2
        
        Yes, I know this is outrageous. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:00:22 ) (17 reads) ( 370 bytes ) +1
        
        And Joe, I could be wrong... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:30:17 ) (10 reads) ( 244 bytes ) +1
        
        I think all the deaths are tragic, Scott and they all piss me off --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:39:40 ) (19 reads) ( 181 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh sure... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 19:48:41 ) (12 reads) ( 464 bytes )
        
        Well fuck you again, you pretentious asshole! (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:38:29 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Pot, kettle, etc. (no text) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 22:14:14 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
      - Fuck you Scott --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:32:07 ) (23 reads) ( 51 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Fuck you Scott --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 19:40:48 ) (19 reads) ( 994 bytes )

And Speaking of the American People. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:56:36 ) (38 reads) ( 868 bytes ) +23

I don't think that's true, Joe, I think it's false. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:12:28 ) (31 reads) ( 4706 bytes ) +1
- I don't know what polls you are reporting, Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:08:20 ) (20 reads) ( 657 bytes ) +3
  - I can oblige with full details ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 23:14:48 ) (29 reads) ( 3997 bytes ) link +2
    - And Angus Reid is a Canadian Polling Firm! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:31:56 ) (9 reads) ( 84 bytes )
    - Well, you have to admit, Dermot, your point is far from certain.... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:00:56 ) (12 reads) ( 966 bytes ) link
  - Re: I don't know what polls you are reporting, Dermot --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 23:24:37 ) (12 reads) ( 1438 bytes ) link
  - Also, why do you do stuff like this Joe? --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:32:45 ) (23 reads) ( 2133 bytes ) +1
    - That's Real Helpful Dermot --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 10:57:57 ) (16 reads) ( 2014 bytes ) +1
      - Baloney... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:27:06 ) (9 reads) ( 569 bytes ) +1
        
        Right, Dermot, I'm the only "partisan" here. -- The Reps and Wars --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:38:06 ) (32 reads) ( 1669 bytes ) +3
        
        No, you're not partisan. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:17:42 ) (15 reads) ( 1089 bytes ) +1
        
        What is this bizzare facscination you guys have with Noam Chomsky? --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:32:41 ) (17 reads) ( 37 bytes ) +1
        
        Just shorthand. I could also call it "Bush derangement." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:16:28 ) (11 reads) ( 1460 bytes )
        
        See? NO ---I didn't say it would be easy --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:24:44 ) (12 reads) ( 2420 bytes ) +1
        
        Right, it hasn't been easy.....Dermot, that's true. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:40:59 ) (9 reads) ( 1301 bytes ) +1
        
        You've done it again !!!!!! --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:59:17 ) (12 reads) ( 1484 bytes ) +1
        
        Thanks for the clarification, but my point stands. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:18:57 ) (13 reads) ( 1288 bytes )
        
        From the 1970s through 2030 or 2200... --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:55:21 ) (23 reads) ( 43 bytes ) +2
        
        We can always hope... (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:13:27 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        Hope what will end, Snow-White? --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:37:23 ) (18 reads) ( 2419 bytes )
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:28:58 ) (28 reads) ( 1171 bytes ) +1
- 60% of Americans want a timetable for withdrawal --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:09:35 ) (20 reads) ( 71 bytes ) +1
  - What the deuce are you talking about? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:41:29 ) (18 reads) ( 1065 bytes )

Boy it's a good thing that I's Obama with a hubris problem --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:09:40 ) (37 reads) ( 228 bytes ) file img +24

McCain ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:49:47 ) (34 reads) ( 1188 bytes ) +3
- Re: McCain ... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:14:50 ) (19 reads) ( 1438 bytes ) +1
  - Re: McCain ... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:30:35 ) (12 reads) ( 846 bytes ) +1
    - Yep, he'll obviously carry the German vote --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:41:59 ) (10 reads) ( 1201 bytes ) +3
      - The German vote, hahaha.. (no text) --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:31:14 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
      - The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:16:39 ) (8 reads) ( 85 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:46:18 ) (10 reads) ( 365 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:23:15 ) (10 reads) ( 1569 bytes ) +1
        
        I'm telling you your flank is unprotected. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:22:19 ) (5 reads) ( 44 bytes )
      - And while the German troops are playing cards & shooting pool --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:16:17 ) (7 reads) ( 1225 bytes ) +1
        
        The German Vote --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:25:09 ) (10 reads) ( 322 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The German Vote ...yeah I know all that --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:50:58 ) (8 reads) ( 1288 bytes )
- "Bare-faced pimp?" Golly.. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:14:02 ) (21 reads) ( 192 bytes ) +1
  - Yep, the Pimp Panther and McCavity --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:16:35 ) (26 reads) ( 4554 bytes )
- Re: McCain ... looking at the polls, though --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:02:45 ) (9 reads) ( 721 bytes ) link +1
  - The practical problem with McCain --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:09:35 ) (17 reads) ( 1231 bytes ) +2
    - Surprise. Basically, I agree. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:58:57 ) (7 reads) ( 1188 bytes )
    - Sounds like a mish-mash --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:05:47 ) (12 reads) ( 267 bytes )
McCain has a hubris problem... but that's not the issue. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:07:25 ) (18 reads) ( 361 bytes ) +2
- Here's a little excerpt from Steele's " A bound Man" --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:32:02 ) (14 reads) ( 334 bytes ) link +1
  - Re: Here's a little excerpt from Steele's " A bound Man" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:48:16 ) (8 reads) ( 602 bytes ) +1
    - Yeah, I noticed that comment --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:33:31 ) (14 reads) ( 34 bytes )
- I don't have any illusions about Obama. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:17:13 ) (16 reads) ( 100 bytes ) +1
  - Yeah, of course not. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:49:35 ) (10 reads) ( 35 bytes )

So Joe, who are you going to vote for? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:52:23 ) (23 reads) ( 14 bytes ) +2

None of your fucking business... (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:05:13 ) (4 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
- Oh please... pretty please, tell us. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:47:36 ) (18 reads) ( 44 bytes )

Joe's lazy but predictable exercise in labelling.. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:11:04 ) (47 reads) ( 4095 bytes ) link +14

Although Obama doesn't really mean it will be the consoling --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:27:43 ) (20 reads) ( 299 bytes ) +1
- One other thing, Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:49:49 ) (27 reads) ( 349 bytes ) +2
  - And this too.... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:51:47 ) (24 reads) ( 447 bytes ) link +1
    - I've no idea why you're scurrying around --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:32:17 ) (26 reads) ( 621 bytes ) +1
      - But.. he was right to oppose the war in the first place...... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:45:22 ) (4 reads) ( 267 bytes ) +1
        
        No, he wasn't right --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:11:04 ) (7 reads) ( 305 bytes ) +1
        
        RIght, Dermot, get rid of Saddam at any cost, okay, I see --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:35:20 ) (4 reads) ( 111 bytes )
  - Re: One other thing, Dermot --- PatD ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:59:07 ) (21 reads) ( 291 bytes ) +1
    - Well good on Brown..... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:46:03 ) (11 reads) ( 48 bytes )
Well, really Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:47:04 ) (33 reads) ( 3743 bytes ) +3
- Well " crusty old warmongers " will do --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:26:41 ) (19 reads) ( 3557 bytes )
- How old are you? I thought you were 84, maybe 85. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:27:57 ) (20 reads) ( 308 bytes ) +1
  - I know Dermot, I was kidding... (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:11:27 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes )
- I would also point out.... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:11:00 ) (10 reads) ( 397 bytes )

Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 10:50:14 ) (21 reads) ( 805 bytes ) link +6

Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? You talkin' to me? --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 11:32:23 ) (25 reads) ( 1636 bytes ) +1
- You talkin' to me? Drinking kraut juice. --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:54:12 ) (7 reads) ( 27 bytes )
Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- PatD ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:57:34 ) (18 reads) ( 1351 bytes ) img +1
- Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:05:24 ) (9 reads) ( 500 bytes ) link
I make my own Kim Chee --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:17:54 ) (13 reads) ( 93 bytes ) +1
- close enough? Very much so! --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:24:11 ) (8 reads) ( 149 bytes )

A day in the Campaign Life of John McCain and Barack Obama --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:30:56 ) (49 reads) ( 111 bytes ) file img +57

Damn McCain! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:09:13 ) (25 reads) ( 296 bytes ) +1
- Good idea. Obama should get McCain to play basketball with him.. (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:01:43 ) (7 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
  - Even you die-hard neocons have to be touched by this.... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:22:15 ) (30 reads) ( 320 bytes ) link +2
    - This is what I think is cool..... that he is even allowed to run --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:09:47 ) (22 reads) ( 1324 bytes ) +1
      - So, besides the war, what do you disagree with Obama about? --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:44:14 ) (19 reads) ( 250 bytes ) +1
        
        Why wouldn't the war be enough? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:11:02 ) (17 reads) ( 207 bytes ) +1
        
        I think NAR can speak for himself, Scott. (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:44:57 ) (3 reads) ( 0 bytes )
    - It isn't just "cool," it's one of those silver linings I talked about. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:49:54 ) (13 reads) ( 341 bytes ) link
Re: A day in the Campaign Life of John McCain and Barack Obama --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:32:57 ) (19 reads) ( 774 bytes ) +3
- Actually, the term for this is "nonsensical bias" (or irony) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:45:07 ) (14 reads) ( 501 bytes ) +2
  - Just a photo op....... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:54:53 ) (14 reads) ( 1402 bytes ) +2
    - The key to elections will be veterans. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:11:55 ) (15 reads) ( 256 bytes ) +1
      - What about active troops? --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:34:37 ) (23 reads) ( 558 bytes ) file img +2
        
        What anecdotal reports? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:19:19 ) (14 reads) ( 657 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: What anecdotal reports? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:04:35 ) (12 reads) ( 1103 bytes )
        Well like this --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:02:26 ) (12 reads) ( 465 bytes ) link +2
        
        Hey, NAR, gonna respond? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:10:11 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
        Since he's busy, I'll respond. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 06:17:39 ) (6 reads) ( 1066 bytes ) link
        
        You must be kidding. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:43:42 ) (8 reads) ( 746 bytes )
    - You gotta admit, the McCain campaign is inept! --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:03:57 ) (20 reads) ( 481 bytes ) +2
      - Sometimes I really hate politics. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:26:08 ) (16 reads) ( 856 bytes ) +1
        
        A photo op is not enough..... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 16:05:12 ) (19 reads) ( 1192 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh please... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:55:24 ) (10 reads) ( 493 bytes )
      - Re: You gotta admit, the McCain campaign is inept! --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 11:53:33 ) (11 reads) ( 1035 bytes )
  - Of course you're right ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:10:23 ) (20 reads) ( 229 bytes ) +2
    - Of course he's playing president ... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:56:34 ) (15 reads) ( 126 bytes )
    - Re: Of course you're right ... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:46:41 ) (11 reads) ( 1299 bytes ) +1
      - A week is a long time in politics, Cynth, as Shakespeare said to Bugs Bunny --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:04:05 ) (7 reads) ( 407 bytes )
- I think it's hard to understate the McCain meltdown -- astounding --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:54:58 ) (26 reads) ( 1153 bytes ) +2
  - Say what? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:08:12 ) (18 reads) ( 291 bytes ) +1
    - Well, then I'm afraid you aren't paying attention. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:12:26 ) (22 reads) ( 133 bytes ) +1
      - Au contraire. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:31:48 ) (18 reads) ( 488 bytes ) +1
        
        But Obama has said the same thing.... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:59:59 ) (23 reads) ( 198 bytes ) +3
        
        NO, Joe... that is what he is saying NOW...... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:14:57 ) (13 reads) ( 837 bytes ) +2
        
        My point is he said it a long time before Maliki did...which he did --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:19:02 ) (15 reads) ( 665 bytes ) +1
        
        You betcha --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:28:38 ) (18 reads) ( 776 bytes ) +1
        
        Joe, care to comment on the content of these videos? --- JHB ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 07:37:31 ) (17 reads) ( 96 bytes ) +1
        
        What video? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:51:12 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        In Juan's post --- JHB ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:10:43 ) (9 reads) ( 94 bytes ) link +1
        
        So? I don't get the problem? --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:22:20 ) (13 reads) ( 501 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: So? I don't get the problem? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:13:52 ) (14 reads) ( 1101 bytes ) +1
        
        That is complete bullshit. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:40:21 ) (11 reads) ( 1680 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh, not so much... I think. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 08:44:35 ) (7 reads) ( 3713 bytes )
        
        Don't call me an ass, you ass --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:50:26 ) (9 reads) ( 441 bytes )
        
        So when McCain suggests that sixteen months isn't out of bounds --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:21:41 ) (12 reads) ( 239 bytes ) +1
        
        Yeah, I remember watching that vid, hehe --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:43:33 ) (14 reads) ( 197 bytes ) +1
        
        Obama music coutesy of Aunt Bea --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:50:07 ) (4 reads) ( 313 bytes )
        
        ROTFL!!!!!! He said it repeatedly since July 3rd!!! --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:23:43 ) (16 reads) ( 843 bytes ) link
  - Re: I think it's hard to understate the McCain meltdown -- astounding --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:16:50 ) (15 reads) ( 1250 bytes )
- Correction.....but I question his understanding of the military --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:13:46 ) (18 reads) ( 1069 bytes ) +1
  - Sometimes you just crack me up. (no text) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:15:54 ) (4 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
    - Well, I aim to please. (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:51:52 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
Thinking and talking ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:02:54 ) (16 reads) ( 1424 bytes )
Obamamania in Baghdad --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:00:37 ) (21 reads) ( 272 bytes ) link +1
- Yeah, it makes me feel "funny in the pants." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:34:21 ) (23 reads) ( 51 bytes ) +1
  - That's something else, Scott...rhimes with "hood." (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:36:25 ) (4 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
    - Just paraphrasing Chris Matthews. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:22:55 ) (13 reads) ( 56 bytes )

What "disaster" really looks like. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:08:48 ) (27 reads) ( 1780 bytes ) link

What is John McCain Going to Do Now? --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:41:00 ) (67 reads) ( 1237 bytes ) link +82

Umm... you're hyperventilating. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:21:00 ) (31 reads) ( 1803 bytes ) +2
- Actually, the race has narrowed. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:41:58 ) (22 reads) ( 976 bytes ) +3
  - Psst ...don't tell Obama ( and everyone) but --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 17:51:50 ) (30 reads) ( 1865 bytes )
  - Riiiiiight, the Iraq war is a "vindication" of Bush.... --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 14:14:12 ) (18 reads) ( 63 bytes ) +1
    - Of course it's a vindication of Bush. Not even a close call. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:49:17 ) (18 reads) ( 227 bytes ) +2
      - Yes, Bush ( and the Admin) ....credit where it's due. --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:46:34 ) (18 reads) ( 1538 bytes ) +1
        
        So that was it? At what cost? (added points) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:02:42 ) (17 reads) ( 1453 bytes )
      - Holy Jesus, Civil War Analogies..... --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:42:28 ) (15 reads) ( 184 bytes ) +1
        
        So, we're losing? What a devastating argument! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:05:58 ) (12 reads) ( 395 bytes ) +1
        
        Not winning, and quagmire, are not the same as "losing." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:32:09 ) (12 reads) ( 68 bytes ) +1
        
        Of course they are. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:16:51 ) (12 reads) ( 455 bytes ) +1
        
        What is second place? Define it....... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:03:53 ) (11 reads) ( 926 bytes ) +1
        
        Sorry, I said nothing about "second place." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:42:44 ) (13 reads) ( 226 bytes ) +1
        
        And it was the DEMS that pulled the money plug...... sheesh! --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:21:42 ) (9 reads) ( 221 bytes ) +1
        
        Excuse me, you should try reading history, NAR --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:34:17 ) (22 reads) ( 492 bytes ) +2
        
        "Crimes reminiscent of Sylvia Kahn" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:44:02 ) (7 reads) ( 993 bytes )
        Hey, NAR, gonna respond? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:10:43 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
  - Obama's position is that we should withdraw...the race so far --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 15:20:14 ) (16 reads) ( 1190 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Obama's position is that we should withdraw...the race so far --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:25:21 ) (10 reads) ( 1356 bytes )
- Maliki endorses Obama's position AGAIN. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:21:56 ) (13 reads) ( 1013 bytes ) link +2
  - Again, the issue isn't the timeline. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:55:07 ) (8 reads) ( 518 bytes )
  - No, Obama is parroting Maliki, just by lucky happenstance. --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:06:52 ) (9 reads) ( 785 bytes ) +1
    - We can't have both "won" and are "continuing to win." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:10:26 ) (18 reads) ( 1503 bytes ) +2
      - All or nothing is pretty absolute, Joe --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:41:15 ) (10 reads) ( 635 bytes ) +1
        
        I read the objectives, they aren't being met --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:47:54 ) (8 reads) ( 723 bytes )
      - Oh great military expert. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:05:07 ) (8 reads) ( 1374 bytes )
Your " Mr convenient", Joe ----Maliki. --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:52:21 ) (38 reads) ( 3299 bytes ) +3
- The Shiftng Goal Posts. --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 17:49:44 ) (34 reads) ( 4151 bytes ) +2
  - How Ironic --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 18:03:53 ) (26 reads) ( 1332 bytes ) +2
    - No he doesn't....... --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 10:44:50 ) (15 reads) ( 711 bytes ) +2
      - What is "success" NAR? When will we know we "won?" (no text) --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 16:25:15 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        When Obama deletes his criticism's of the surge? ( NT) --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:00:36 ) (7 reads) ( 5 bytes ) +2
        
        Well said and VERY good point! ( NT) --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:56:10 ) (3 reads) ( 1 bytes )
        So what? (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:50:39 ) (2 reads) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Huh? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:54:07 ) (7 reads) ( 176 bytes ) +1
        
        Cute, but kind of dumb, NAR (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:14:55 ) (1 reads) ( 0 bytes )
      - When the stated goals have been met...... --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:35:33 ) (12 reads) ( 2716 bytes ) +2
        
        NAR, you're wasting time with this dude. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:09:22 ) (12 reads) ( 329 bytes ) +1
        
        That is not my argument, it's your fantasy of what it is. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:51:05 ) (9 reads) ( 5 bytes ) +1