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Gallup Tracking...Obama up by 9 --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 11:53:17 ) ( 1111 bytes ) link +19

Again, this is only one poll... and it's not even up-to-date. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:39:18 ) ( 834 bytes ) +1
- Registered and Likely Voter Models --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:16:43 ) ( 1546 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Registered and Likely Voter Models --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:30:04 ) ( 1243 bytes ) +1
    - Oh yes, Obama is in the worst shape, except for John McCain --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 18:58:35 ) ( 2061 bytes ) +1
      - If I were you, I'd just reject the polls I don't like. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 20:43:30 ) ( 100 bytes )
McCain leads in " likely voter" poll ....BUT --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 06:08:05 ) ( 1031 bytes ) link +3
- Re: McCain leads in " likely voter" poll ....BUT --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 08:20:14 ) ( 778 bytes )
- Why Obama has a lock on the "European vote." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 08:53:56 ) ( 2392 bytes ) link
- Likely voter v. Registered Voter --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 11:38:44 ) ( 4506 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Likely voter v. Registered Voter --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 13:09:36 ) ( 571 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Likely voter v. Registered Voter --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 16:27:30 ) ( 1817 bytes ) +2
      - By coincidence... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:37:36 ) ( 1507 bytes ) link +2
        
        Re: By coincidence... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 21:02:22 ) ( 825 bytes )
        Gallup Likely Voter Model --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 00:11:51 ) ( 1817 bytes ) link
      - Where the hell did you get that idea -- and LV bogus analysis --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 14:17:32 ) ( 2460 bytes ) +1
        
        Sorry, but I really don't think you have much expertise in this area. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 19:09:19 ) ( 1050 bytes ) +1
        
        Self-Aggrandizement as opposed to actual analysis...so sad --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 13:35:00 ) ( 78 bytes ) +1
        
        Yep, I'm a lost cause. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 13:53:45 ) ( 1357 bytes ) +1
        
        Now, if you're claiming that disinterested voters will vote this time --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 14:03:55 ) ( 406 bytes )

Apparently Obama did get a little bounce. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 23:17:04 ) ( 621 bytes ) +48

McCain's concession on a withdrawal Plan -- a problem for McCain --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:25:57 ) ( 1102 bytes ) link +2
- The Big McCain Flip Flopp --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:38:07 ) ( 1690 bytes ) +1
  - Complaining about pragmatism and rationality. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 19:54:25 ) ( 1834 bytes ) +1
    - Bush came up with the benchmarks, not the Dems. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 11:43:48 ) ( 1742 bytes ) +2
      - Thank you Joe... --- Cynthia ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:49:26 ) ( 501 bytes ) link
      - Well, not so much. Actually, it was the Iraqis. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:08:04 ) ( 1089 bytes )
- He looks irritated, not uncomfortable. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 18:29:41 ) ( 2338 bytes ) +2
  - Noah Feldman on CSPAN --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 18:51:18 ) ( 506 bytes ) link +2
    - This is probably where we really disagree ... --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 01:17:26 ) ( 12.5 KB ) link +2
      - And a quick ( ok, long -ish ) finale. --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 07:21:56 ) ( 9481 bytes ) +1
        
        We want the world, and we want it NOW. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 11:11:31 ) ( 3033 bytes ) +1
        
        Like I said, it's not a precise analogy --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:41:23 ) ( 2468 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Like I said, it's not a precise analogy --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:55:24 ) ( 2232 bytes ) +1
        
        But apart from Quietism what has Islam ever done for us ? --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:33:25 ) ( 1984 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: But apart from Quietism what has Islam ever done for us ? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 14:41:11 ) ( 760 bytes ) +1
        
        Containing Iran --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 16:17:27 ) ( 1188 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Containing Iran --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 16:25:25 ) ( 985 bytes )
      - Re: This is probably where we really disagree ... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 09:41:03 ) ( 6094 bytes ) +1
        
        Post-finale( ?) ---Q&A's and your post... --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 10:37:00 ) ( 6921 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Post-finale( ?) ---Q&A's and your post... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:47:49 ) ( 3686 bytes ) +1
        
        Yeah, I got what his ACTUAL point was... I was being ironic --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 14:08:04 ) ( 981 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Yeah, I got what his ACTUAL point was... I was being ironic --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 14:28:18 ) ( 808 bytes )
    - I can't believe you take Feldman seriously --- Jim ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 22:45:56 ) ( 703 bytes ) link +2
      - Colonel Jim Heller, 7th Cavalry... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 05:05:22 ) ( 1359 bytes ) +2
        
        But here's the point, Dermot --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 09:39:24 ) ( 502 bytes ) +1
        
        Not THE point but A point. (?) --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 12:38:15 ) ( 4279 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Not THE point but A point. (?) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 16:56:59 ) ( 1988 bytes )
        
        Come on! --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 14:53:08 ) ( 1544 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: Come on! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 16:37:41 ) ( 1036 bytes ) +1
        
        Feldman's a fool for confusing Shariah with the Magna Carta --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 19:48:29 ) ( 1637 bytes ) link +1
        
        You're a fool for taking such an unlawyerly position. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:10:36 ) ( 1624 bytes ) +2
        
        Hold on there, partner! --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:44:49 ) ( 1834 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Hold on there, partner! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 21:17:30 ) ( 2188 bytes )
        
        Well I prefer Shia to Sunni, the quietist�s in particular, BUT --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 22:54:55 ) ( 16.9 KB ) link +1
        
        A minority within a minority. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 00:36:50 ) ( 2370 bytes )
        
        Oh, alright then ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:25:36 ) ( 1160 bytes ) +1
        
        Another fish flopping helplessly on the bank. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 21:58:19 ) ( 294 bytes ) link +1
        
        This guy is a non-starter --- Jim ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 13:46:58 ) ( 158 bytes ) +1
        
        No, my mistake --- Jim ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 14:50:23 ) ( 121 bytes ) +1
        
        Just a gross generalization. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 19:27:33 ) ( 1918 bytes ) +1
        
        Some speculation about the Alawites. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 19:43:53 ) ( 461 bytes )
      - So, your argument is that he's 100% wrong? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 09:31:47 ) ( 3334 bytes ) +1
        
        I don't buy that --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:13:19 ) ( 921 bytes ) link +2
        
        And here's Hugh Fitzgerald tearing him apart on Jihad Watch --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 20:18:37 ) ( 9331 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: And here's Hugh Fitzgerald tearing him apart on Jihad Watch --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 21:38:39 ) ( 307 bytes )
        
        Re: I don't buy that --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 21:33:14 ) ( 1700 bytes )
  - Yes, irritated, but when did Maliki and Obama disavow a timetable? --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:11:00 ) ( 1755 bytes ) +1
    - They both disavowed "dates certain." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:43:05 ) ( 275 bytes )

Associated Press says US "winning" in Iraq. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 22:39:44 ) ( 8471 bytes )

John McCain is in San Francisco Raising Money --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 19:20:29 ) ( 236 bytes ) link

Police: Knoxville church targeted for liberal views --- Karenl ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:28:08 ) ( 1500 bytes ) link +3

Either that, or for their vulnerability. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 15:21:53 ) ( 779 bytes ) +1
- OK, I see the link. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 15:36:22 ) ( 1566 bytes ) +1
  - By the way, --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 15:50:11 ) ( 555 bytes )

How will we know when the war in Iraq is over? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 00:31:28 ) ( 2362 bytes ) link +6

More on the war(s) that is/are "over" --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 11:31:54 ) ( 1308 bytes ) link +1
- But civilian casualties are still down by 80%. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:21:12 ) ( 979 bytes ) +1
  - "Reduced Violence" does not equal WINNING. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 13:49:20 ) ( 941 bytes ) +1
    - Er, the "bigger picture" you say? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 14:15:40 ) ( 2313 bytes ) +1
      - If it makes you feel better, keep on thinking that that convoluted crap. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 19:03:31 ) ( 13 bytes ) +1
        
        Yep, actual facts are just crap that makes me feel better. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 20:52:34 ) ( 393 bytes )

Ok, got it --- I didn't actually know --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 04:14:24 ) ( 636 bytes ) link +21

Puma=Mountain Lion=Cougar --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 13:52:38 ) ( 230 bytes ) +3
- Laurie's little nephew got attacked by one two years ago --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 14:04:42 ) ( 86 bytes ) link +3
  - Holy shit ...yeah, scary ...poor kid --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 14:16:41 ) ( 356 bytes ) +1
    - Dad could get tattooed: "Ya' owe me one, kid" --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 14:42:40 ) ( 802 bytes ) +1
      - Re: Dad could get tattooed: "Ya' owe me one, kid" --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 14:52:03 ) ( 329 bytes )
  - Re: Laurie's little nephew got attacked by one two years ago --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 23:39:28 ) ( 595 bytes )
  - Re: Laurie's little nephew got attacked by one two years ago --- Fiona ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 01:09:41 ) ( 88 bytes )
- That's wiki for ya --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 14:18:18 ) ( 85 bytes )
- Re: Puma=Mountain Lion=Cougar=Catamounts (in Vermont) --- Cynthia ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 17:21:38 ) ( 89 bytes )
In California, they are called "mountain lions" --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:22:09 ) ( 1029 bytes ) +2
- Here's what the victim looked like --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:43:25 ) ( 152 bytes ) link
- Re: In California, they are called "mountain lions" --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 03:25:39 ) ( 1501 bytes ) +2
  - Great story 13 --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 12:42:05 ) ( 1121 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Great story 13 --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 14:56:46 ) ( 1683 bytes )
  - Re: In California, they are called "mountain lions" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 16:06:35 ) ( 715 bytes ) +1
    - Do bears forage at night? --- 13 ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 17:35:05 ) ( 982 bytes ) +1
      - Black bears do. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 21:03:14 ) ( 584 bytes ) +1
        
        just as I feared --- 13 ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 02:34:45 ) ( 150 bytes ) +1
        
        My friends' campsite just got attacked this weekend --- Jim ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 14:10:37 ) ( 215 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: My friends' campsite just got attacked this weekend --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 17:01:56 ) ( 290 bytes )
        Re: My friends' campsite just got attacked this weekend --- 13 ( Wed, Jul 30, 2008, 04:40:14 ) ( 253 bytes )

When Candy Design Goes Terribly, Hilariously Wrong --- Karenl ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 12:06:54 ) ( 47 bytes ) link

For those that like Escher --- Jethro ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 11:26:42 ) ( 0 bytes ) file img

Pastor Melissa --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:17:40 ) ( 201 bytes ) link +14

Her husband used to troll for girls in my dad's backgammon club --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:27:45 ) ( 403 bytes ) +1
- So she's Gene Scott's wife? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:30:11 ) ( 32 bytes ) +1
  - I mean, Gene Scott was old in the 80s. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:32:20 ) ( 76 bytes )
She appears to be Gene Scott's daughter. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:28:22 ) ( 692 bytes ) +1
- No, Scott, she's his wife AND also, apparently, a former porn star! --- Jim ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 18:52:55 ) ( 87 bytes ) link +1
  - Well, *was* his wife. Apparently the guy's pushing up daisies. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 23:05:48 ) ( 712 bytes ) +1
    - "This pudding has no theme." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 20:19:42 ) ( 787 bytes )
Enough there to give a Mullah a coronary. (no text) --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:33:17 ) ( 0 bytes ) +2
- Obama's stolen prayer --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:46:59 ) ( 593 bytes ) link +1
  - Re: Obama's stolen prayer --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:52:02 ) ( 183 bytes ) +2
    - BTW, the "wall" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:56:05 ) ( 309 bytes )
    - Lord --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 01:16:59 ) ( 684 bytes )
- Re: Enough there to give a Mullah a coronary. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:49:46 ) ( 637 bytes ) +1
  - Well, she doesn't look --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:56:49 ) ( 19 bytes )

German politics at its finest --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 05:23:56 ) ( 820 bytes ) link +5

this is why Germany should never --- aunt bea ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 05:48:57 ) ( 329 bytes ) link +3
- Too bad they can't at least syncopate a little. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 10:23:41 ) ( 66 bytes )
- Re: this is why Germany should never --- Ash ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 06:27:29 ) ( 245 bytes ) link
- Re: this is why Germany should never --- anthony ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 12:24:16 ) ( 440 bytes )
Re: German politics at its finest --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 21:54:29 ) ( 343 bytes )

Great little bio doc on Dinah Washington --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 01:38:08 ) ( 759 bytes ) link

Stop the fightin', Christmas truce, amazing -- check this out! --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 14:28:19 ) ( 112 bytes ) link +6

You're such a total sap! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 19:55:36 ) ( 130 bytes ) +1
- Fine, thanks --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 22:11:46 ) ( 338 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Fine, thanks --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 22:53:49 ) ( 173 bytes )
Hopefully, wee Connie ( bless 'er) --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 21:49:23 ) ( 495 bytes ) +1
- You have to admit, though, her early stuff is way better --- Jim ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 22:15:40 ) ( 98 bytes ) +1
  - Haha ...yeah, that's true hehe (no text) --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 22:17:12 ) ( 0 bytes )

I really don't understand the polls. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:15:21 ) ( 693 bytes ) +12

Berlin, Pennsylvania.. --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 02:17:50 ) ( 795 bytes ) +1
- The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 10:47:59 ) ( 958 bytes ) +1
  - Re: The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 11:07:46 ) ( 559 bytes ) +1
    - Re: The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 11:48:32 ) ( 2232 bytes ) +2
      - Re: The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 12:11:46 ) ( 1148 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 12:46:41 ) ( 2326 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The singularity at the center of the storm. --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 14:25:05 ) ( 599 bytes )
      - Biased? Truly and pathetically biased, no? --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 21:44:47 ) ( 10.2 KB ) link +1
        
        History, and the community of the virtuous. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 22:38:35 ) ( 4027 bytes ) link
Branding... --- Joe ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 19:06:31 ) ( 2515 bytes ) +1
- Re: Branding... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 20:10:08 ) ( 2054 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Branding... --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 17:53:08 ) ( 763 bytes )

Randy Pausch dies. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:02:35 ) ( 352 bytes )

A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:18:08 ) ( 1638 bytes ) link +21

Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:51:53 ) ( 257 bytes ) +1
- Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:08:07 ) ( 623 bytes ) +1
  - And the original series... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:18:26 ) ( 465 bytes ) link +1
    - Interesting ....and it also --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 20:37:29 ) ( 229 bytes ) +2
      - Captain Picard zooms back to see Caligula give a porn mag --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 21:04:32 ) ( 493 bytes )
      - Interesting essay on Waugh. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 22:49:15 ) ( 433 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Interesting essay on Waugh. --- PatD ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 19:49:43 ) ( 1617 bytes ) link +1
        
        Re: Interesting essay on Waugh. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 23:12:03 ) ( 484 bytes )
Re: A great movie, but don't compare to the original...... --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:31:16 ) ( 490 bytes ) +1
- Yep, Snow-white --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 01:58:16 ) ( 861 bytes ) +2
  - Dermot --- snow-white ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 02:41:48 ) ( 164 bytes ) img
  - Don't you mean to the Tacitus text? --- anthony ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 06:22:39 ) ( 1461 bytes ) +1
    - Tacitus? Not entirely. My email...that's another story --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 13:03:14 ) ( 5862 bytes ) +1
      - Found it, Anthony.. treatise duly despatched. ( just kidding) (no text) --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 00:17:44 ) ( 0 bytes )
I'll probably give it a miss --- anthony ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 03:21:37 ) ( 2929 bytes ) +2
- Very perceptive, Anthony. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 10:57:42 ) ( 388 bytes )
- It's worth the time, Anthony... very enjoyable --- Joe ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 12:48:15 ) ( 4022 bytes ) +2
  - Worth the time. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:28:15 ) ( 475 bytes )
  - Nah - I'll stick to Prince Caspian, thanks --- anthony ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 02:40:00 ) ( 6266 bytes ) +1
    - Well, you might see it before calling it a "travesty," but it's up ... --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 18:01:27 ) ( 708 bytes ) +1
      - Re: Well, you might see it before calling it a "travesty," but it's... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 14:48:42 ) ( 773 bytes )

Obama in Germany --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:20:42 ) ( 127 bytes ) file img +40

And another. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:22:11 ) ( 57 bytes ) file img
That's What "Proud to be an American" Looks Like --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:28:07 ) ( 24 bytes )
Guru Puja or Hans Jayanti? (no text) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:43:04 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
- Heh. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:35:38 ) ( 608 bytes ) link +1
  - Tirades from the radical catholic.....funny --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:49:45 ) ( 471 bytes ) link +3
    - Why would it "piss you off" Joe? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:06:38 ) ( 1051 bytes ) +1
      - Um, Scott, it's the soldiers deaths that piss me off, not Maggie (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:30:48 ) ( 0 bytes ) +2
        
        Joe, are you just as pissed at this? --- NAR ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:21:48 ) ( 1503 bytes )
        Simple question, should we have intervened in Rawanda? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 20:28:05 ) ( 542 bytes )
    - Actually, I definitely read even a staunch Obama follower --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:09:31 ) ( 1347 bytes ) +1
      - Advice to Obama: " Well all right! , well all right!, well all right" --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:02:51 ) ( 1087 bytes ) link +2
        
        Yeah, appropriately it was on April Fools day, too. (no text) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:09:41 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Yeah, appropriately it was on April Fools day, too. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:23:03 ) ( 753 bytes )
        
        Like I said, Dermot, Obama might well lose. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:33:23 ) ( 20 bytes ) +1
        
        But guess what they've started to call him this side of the pond.... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:53:15 ) ( 90 bytes ) +1
        
        Yeah, but road rage is also a "Phenomenon" --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:11:26 ) ( 79 bytes ) +1
        
        You hate to even give an inch, don't you.. hahaha. (nt) --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:13:50 ) ( 5 bytes ) +1
        
        Hey, I thought I was... (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 17:18:49 ) ( 0 bytes )
    - I actually don't think this "pisses Joe off" at all. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:10:50 ) ( 307 bytes ) +2
      - Here's the graph of US deaths, by month. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 15:48:47 ) ( 597 bytes ) link +2
        
        Yes, I know this is outrageous. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:00:22 ) ( 370 bytes ) +1
        
        And Joe, I could be wrong... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:30:17 ) ( 244 bytes ) +1
        
        I think all the deaths are tragic, Scott and they all piss me off --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:39:40 ) ( 181 bytes ) +2
        
        Oh sure... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 19:48:41 ) ( 464 bytes )
        Yes it did, Joe! --- NAR ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:40:03 ) ( 2754 bytes ) +1
        
        Of course I didn't...... --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:03:09 ) ( 1691 bytes ) +1
        
        Took awhile.....was busy --- NAR ( Mon, Aug 04, 2008, 10:34:25 ) ( 2134 bytes )
        
        Well fuck you again, you pretentious asshole! (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:38:29 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Pot, kettle, etc. (no text) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 22:14:14 ) ( 0 bytes )
      - Fuck you Scott --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 16:32:07 ) ( 51 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Fuck you Scott --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 19:40:48 ) ( 994 bytes ) +1
        
        You are disgusting.... --- Joe ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:14:32 ) ( 117 bytes ) +1
        
        Indulging is HS histrionics... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 20:18:17 ) ( 597 bytes )
Re: Obama in Germany --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 10:28:36 ) ( 1408 bytes ) +1
- Re: Obama in Germany --- Joe ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:12:33 ) ( 1429 bytes ) +1
  - Re: Obama in Germany --- Cynthia ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 08:35:40 ) ( 1965 bytes ) +2
    - I really must return to comment on that great post, Cynthia --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 26, 2008, 13:06:39 ) ( 13.4 KB )
    - Shallow compared to what or to whom? --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:34:03 ) ( 605 bytes ) +1
      - Re: Shallow compared to what or to whom? --- Cynthia ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 08:13:14 ) ( 2199 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Shallow compared to what or to whom? --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 11:18:48 ) ( 2472 bytes )

Make sure you get that email addy right... --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 11:36:19 ) ( 1638 bytes )

The New Democratic Realism --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 10:31:54 ) ( 2078 bytes ) link

And Speaking of the American People. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:56:36 ) ( 868 bytes ) +27

I don't think that's true, Joe, I think it's false. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:12:28 ) ( 4706 bytes ) +1
- I don't know what polls you are reporting, Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:08:20 ) ( 657 bytes ) +3
  - I can oblige with full details ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 23:14:48 ) ( 3997 bytes ) link +2
    - And Angus Reid is a Canadian Polling Firm! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:31:56 ) ( 84 bytes )
    - Well, you have to admit, Dermot, your point is far from certain.... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:00:56 ) ( 966 bytes ) link
  - Re: I don't know what polls you are reporting, Dermot --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 23:24:37 ) ( 1438 bytes ) link
  - Also, why do you do stuff like this Joe? --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:32:45 ) ( 2133 bytes ) +1
    - That's Real Helpful Dermot --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 10:57:57 ) ( 2014 bytes ) +1
      - Baloney... --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:27:06 ) ( 569 bytes ) +1
        
        Right, Dermot, I'm the only "partisan" here. -- The Reps and Wars --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:38:06 ) ( 1669 bytes ) +3
        
        No, you're not partisan. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:17:42 ) ( 1089 bytes ) +1
        
        What is this bizzare facscination you guys have with Noam Chomsky? --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:32:41 ) ( 37 bytes ) +1
        
        Just shorthand. I could also call it "Bush derangement." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:16:28 ) ( 1460 bytes )
        
        See? NO ---I didn't say it would be easy --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:24:44 ) ( 2420 bytes ) +1
        
        Right, it hasn't been easy.....Dermot, that's true. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:40:59 ) ( 1301 bytes ) +1
        
        You've done it again !!!!!! --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:59:17 ) ( 1484 bytes ) +1
        
        Thanks for the clarification, but my point stands. --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:18:57 ) ( 1288 bytes ) +1
        
        Find that quote, Joe! --- NAR ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 18:36:09 ) ( 2836 bytes ) +2
        
        I seem to recall someone saying it would be a cake walk --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 20:53:24 ) ( 913 bytes )
        You need to get out more, NAR --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:08:22 ) ( 1600 bytes ) +1
        
        But, which war? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 10:22:12 ) ( 1861 bytes )
        
        From the 1970s through 2030 or 2200... --- snow-white ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:55:21 ) ( 43 bytes ) +2
        
        We can always hope... (no text) --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:13:27 ) ( 0 bytes )
        Hope what will end, Snow-White? --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:37:23 ) ( 2419 bytes )
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:28:58 ) ( 1171 bytes ) +1
- 60% of Americans want a timetable for withdrawal --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:09:35 ) ( 71 bytes ) +1
  - What the deuce are you talking about? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:41:29 ) ( 1065 bytes )

Boy it's a good thing that I's Obama with a hubris problem --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:09:40 ) ( 228 bytes ) file img +25

McCain ... --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:49:47 ) ( 1188 bytes ) +3
- Re: McCain ... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:14:50 ) ( 1438 bytes ) +1
  - Re: McCain ... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:30:35 ) ( 846 bytes ) +1
    - Yep, he'll obviously carry the German vote --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:41:59 ) ( 1201 bytes ) +3
      - The German vote, hahaha.. (no text) --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:31:14 ) ( 0 bytes )
      - The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:16:39 ) ( 85 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:46:18 ) ( 365 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The media is in the tank for McCain, are you kidding? --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:23:15 ) ( 1569 bytes ) +1
        
        I'm telling you your flank is unprotected. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:22:19 ) ( 44 bytes )
      - And while the German troops are playing cards & shooting pool --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:16:17 ) ( 1225 bytes ) +1
        
        The German Vote --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:25:09 ) ( 322 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: The German Vote ...yeah I know all that --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:50:58 ) ( 1288 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh, Joe..... --- NAR ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 18:56:33 ) ( 1439 bytes )
- "Bare-faced pimp?" Golly.. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:14:02 ) ( 192 bytes ) +1
  - Yep, the Pimp Panther and McCavity --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:16:35 ) ( 4554 bytes )
- Re: McCain ... looking at the polls, though --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:02:45 ) ( 721 bytes ) link +1
  - The practical problem with McCain --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:09:35 ) ( 1231 bytes ) +2
    - Surprise. Basically, I agree. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 11:58:57 ) ( 1188 bytes )
    - Sounds like a mish-mash --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 14:05:47 ) ( 267 bytes )
McCain has a hubris problem... but that's not the issue. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:07:25 ) ( 361 bytes ) +2
- Here's a little excerpt from Steele's " A bound Man" --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:32:02 ) ( 334 bytes ) link +1
  - Re: Here's a little excerpt from Steele's " A bound Man" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:48:16 ) ( 602 bytes ) +1
    - Yeah, I noticed that comment --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:33:31 ) ( 34 bytes )
- I don't have any illusions about Obama. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:17:13 ) ( 100 bytes ) +1
  - Yeah, of course not. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:49:35 ) ( 35 bytes )

So Joe, who are you going to vote for? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:52:23 ) ( 14 bytes ) +2

None of your fucking business... (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:05:13 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
- Oh please... pretty please, tell us. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:47:36 ) ( 44 bytes )

Joe's lazy but predictable exercise in labelling.. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:11:04 ) ( 4095 bytes ) link +14

Although Obama doesn't really mean it will be the consoling --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:27:43 ) ( 299 bytes ) +1
- One other thing, Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:49:49 ) ( 349 bytes ) +2
  - And this too.... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:51:47 ) ( 447 bytes ) link +1
    - I've no idea why you're scurrying around --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:32:17 ) ( 621 bytes ) +1
      - But.. he was right to oppose the war in the first place...... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 12:45:22 ) ( 267 bytes ) +1
        
        No, he wasn't right --- Dermot ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:11:04 ) ( 305 bytes ) +1
        
        RIght, Dermot, get rid of Saddam at any cost, okay, I see --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:35:20 ) ( 111 bytes )
  - Re: One other thing, Dermot --- PatD ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:59:07 ) ( 291 bytes ) +1
    - Well good on Brown..... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:46:03 ) ( 48 bytes )
Well, really Dermot --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 13:47:04 ) ( 3743 bytes ) +3
- Well " crusty old warmongers " will do --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 14:26:41 ) ( 3557 bytes )
- How old are you? I thought you were 84, maybe 85. --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:27:57 ) ( 308 bytes ) +1
  - I know Dermot, I was kidding... (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:11:27 ) ( 0 bytes )
- I would also point out.... --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:11:00 ) ( 397 bytes )

Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 10:50:14 ) ( 805 bytes ) link +6

Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? You talkin' to me? --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 11:32:23 ) ( 1636 bytes ) +1
- You talkin' to me? Drinking kraut juice. --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:54:12 ) ( 27 bytes )
Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- PatD ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 12:57:34 ) ( 1351 bytes ) img +1
- Re: Does anybody here make their own kraut? --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 19:05:24 ) ( 500 bytes ) link
I make my own Kim Chee --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:17:54 ) ( 93 bytes ) +1
- close enough? Very much so! --- Karenl ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:24:11 ) ( 149 bytes )

A day in the Campaign Life of John McCain and Barack Obama --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:30:56 ) ( 111 bytes ) file img +62

Damn McCain! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:09:13 ) ( 296 bytes ) +1
- Good idea. Obama should get McCain to play basketball with him.. (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:01:43 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
  - Even you die-hard neocons have to be touched by this.... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:22:15 ) ( 320 bytes ) link +2
    - This is what I think is cool..... that he is even allowed to run --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:09:47 ) ( 1324 bytes ) +1
      - So, besides the war, what do you disagree with Obama about? --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:44:14 ) ( 250 bytes ) +1
        
        Why wouldn't the war be enough? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:11:02 ) ( 207 bytes ) +1
        
        I think NAR can speak for himself, Scott. (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:44:57 ) ( 0 bytes )
    - It isn't just "cool," it's one of those silver linings I talked about. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:49:54 ) ( 341 bytes ) link
Re: A day in the Campaign Life of John McCain and Barack Obama --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:32:57 ) ( 774 bytes ) +3
- Actually, the term for this is "nonsensical bias" (or irony) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:45:07 ) ( 501 bytes ) +2
  - Just a photo op....... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:54:53 ) ( 1402 bytes ) +2
    - The key to elections will be veterans. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:11:55 ) ( 256 bytes ) +1
      - What about active troops? --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:34:37 ) ( 558 bytes ) file img +2
        
        What anecdotal reports? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:19:19 ) ( 657 bytes ) +2
        
        Re: What anecdotal reports? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:04:35 ) ( 1103 bytes )
        Well like this --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:02:26 ) ( 465 bytes ) link +3
        
        Hey, NAR, gonna respond? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:10:11 ) ( 0 bytes )
        Since he's busy, I'll respond. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 06:17:39 ) ( 1066 bytes ) link
        Yeah, like who has had the majority of votes? --- NAR ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 17:50:46 ) ( 2558 bytes ) +1
        
        I'm talking about the active military --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 15:16:38 ) ( 644 bytes ) +1
        
        can't believe you actually think --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 07:55:11 ) ( 79 bytes )
        
        You must be kidding. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:43:42 ) ( 746 bytes )
    - You gotta admit, the McCain campaign is inept! --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:03:57 ) ( 481 bytes ) +2
      - Sometimes I really hate politics. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:26:08 ) ( 856 bytes ) +1
        
        A photo op is not enough..... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 16:05:12 ) ( 1192 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh please... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:55:24 ) ( 493 bytes )
      - Re: You gotta admit, the McCain campaign is inept! --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 11:53:33 ) ( 1035 bytes )
  - Of course you're right ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:10:23 ) ( 229 bytes ) +2
    - Of course he's playing president ... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:56:34 ) ( 126 bytes )
    - Re: Of course you're right ... --- Cynthia ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:46:41 ) ( 1299 bytes ) +1
      - A week is a long time in politics, Cynth, as Shakespeare said to Bugs Bunny --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 16:04:05 ) ( 407 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: A week is a long time in politics, Cynth, as Shakespeare said to Bugs Bunny --- Cynthia ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 11:44:34 ) ( 864 bytes ) +1
        
        Precisely, Cynth ... --- Dermot ( Fri, Jul 25, 2008, 21:56:19 ) ( 176 bytes )
- I think it's hard to understate the McCain meltdown -- astounding --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:54:58 ) ( 1153 bytes ) +2
  - Say what? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:08:12 ) ( 291 bytes ) +1
    - Well, then I'm afraid you aren't paying attention. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:12:26 ) ( 133 bytes ) +1
      - Au contraire. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:31:48 ) ( 488 bytes ) +1
        
        But Obama has said the same thing.... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:59:59 ) ( 198 bytes ) +3
        
        NO, Joe... that is what he is saying NOW...... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:14:57 ) ( 837 bytes ) +2
        
        My point is he said it a long time before Maliki did...which he did --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:19:02 ) ( 665 bytes ) +1
        
        You betcha --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:28:38 ) ( 776 bytes ) +1
        
        Joe, care to comment on the content of these videos? --- JHB ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 07:37:31 ) ( 96 bytes ) +1
        
        What video? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:51:12 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        In Juan's post --- JHB ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:10:43 ) ( 94 bytes ) link +1
        
        So? I don't get the problem? --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 18:22:20 ) ( 501 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: So? I don't get the problem? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 20:13:52 ) ( 1101 bytes ) +1
        
        That is complete bullshit. --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 21:40:21 ) ( 1680 bytes ) +1
        
        Oh, not so much... I think. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 08:44:35 ) ( 3713 bytes )
        
        Don't call me an ass, you ass --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:50:26 ) ( 441 bytes )
        
        So when McCain suggests that sixteen months isn't out of bounds --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:21:41 ) ( 239 bytes ) +1
        
        Yeah, I remember watching that vid, hehe --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:43:33 ) ( 197 bytes ) +1
        
        Obama music coutesy of Aunt Bea --- Dermot ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 15:50:07 ) ( 313 bytes )
        
        ROTFL!!!!!! He said it repeatedly since July 3rd!!! --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 21:23:43 ) ( 843 bytes ) link
  - Re: I think it's hard to understate the McCain meltdown -- astounding --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:16:50 ) ( 1250 bytes )
- Correction.....but I question his understanding of the military --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:13:46 ) ( 1069 bytes ) +1
  - Sometimes you just crack me up. (no text) --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:15:54 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
    - Well, I aim to please. (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 17:51:52 ) ( 0 bytes )
Thinking and talking ... --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:02:54 ) ( 1424 bytes )
Obamamania in Baghdad --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:00:37 ) ( 272 bytes ) link +1
- Yeah, it makes me feel "funny in the pants." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:34:21 ) ( 51 bytes ) +1
  - That's something else, Scott...rhimes with "hood." (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:36:25 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
    - Just paraphrasing Chris Matthews. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:22:55 ) ( 56 bytes )

What "disaster" really looks like. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:08:48 ) ( 1780 bytes ) link

Cautiously Optomistic on California Gay Marriage Proposition --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:48:24 ) ( 1264 bytes ) link +22

Don't look now, Joe --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 10:56:24 ) ( 799 bytes ) +1
- Okay, only the MAJORITY of Californian's are fair minded --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:24:49 ) ( 415 bytes ) +1
  - Joe, when it comes to the amendment, I hope you are right! --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:36:55 ) ( 1410 bytes ) +1
    - 15 points would be resounding if we get that; I'm optomistic --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:43:14 ) ( 733 bytes ) +1
      - Where is the opposition? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:39:58 ) ( 971 bytes ) +2
        
        By the way... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:46:21 ) ( 182 bytes )
        God, you are clueless -- Maggie Gallagher is a major funder --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:35:07 ) ( 6830 bytes ) link +1
        
        You are genuinely an idiot. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:58:26 ) ( 567 bytes ) +1
        
        You are both an asshole and an arrogant, uninformed one --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 10:45:38 ) ( 1534 bytes ) link +3
        
        Thanks, I didn't know of that organization. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:08:53 ) ( 945 bytes ) +1
        
        Okay, accepted. (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 16:07:42 ) ( 0 bytes )
        
        And, as I said, neither Gallagher nor IMAPP, nor even NOM were on your list. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:19:02 ) ( 109 bytes )
        And I'll admit something else. I'm probably an asshole. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:58:49 ) ( 1046 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: And I'll admit something else. I'm probably an asshole. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 16:23:47 ) ( 1926 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: And I'll admit something else. I'm probably an asshole. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 14:25:39 ) ( 2176 bytes )
Don't ever move to North Carolina! --- Karenl ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:04:59 ) ( 118 bytes ) link +3
- Make that anywhere where ANY religion has sway --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:24:12 ) ( 862 bytes )
- Ignorance and bigotry sometimes die hard, I am afraid. (no text) --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:25:39 ) ( 0 bytes )
- Exodus -- it's a joke, but also very harmful to people --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:48:16 ) ( 530 bytes ) +1
  - What is the film name? --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 15:11:09 ) ( 904 bytes ) +1
    - There are actually several. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 16:21:03 ) ( 763 bytes ) +1
      - Thanks....... I'll look for them. --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:55:56 ) ( 2559 bytes )

What is John McCain Going to Do Now? --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:41:00 ) ( 1237 bytes ) link +83

Umm... you're hyperventilating. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:21:00 ) ( 1803 bytes ) +2
- Actually, the race has narrowed. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:41:58 ) ( 976 bytes ) +3
  - Psst ...don't tell Obama ( and everyone) but --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 17:51:50 ) ( 1865 bytes )
  - Riiiiiight, the Iraq war is a "vindication" of Bush.... --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 14:14:12 ) ( 63 bytes ) +1
    - Of course it's a vindication of Bush. Not even a close call. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:49:17 ) ( 227 bytes ) +2
      - Yes, Bush ( and the Admin) ....credit where it's due. --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:46:34 ) ( 1538 bytes ) +1
        
        So that was it? At what cost? (added points) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:02:42 ) ( 1453 bytes )
      - Holy Jesus, Civil War Analogies..... --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:42:28 ) ( 184 bytes ) +1
        
        So, we're losing? What a devastating argument! --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:05:58 ) ( 395 bytes ) +1
        
        Not winning, and quagmire, are not the same as "losing." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:32:09 ) ( 68 bytes ) +1
        
        Of course they are. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:16:51 ) ( 455 bytes ) +1
        
        What is second place? Define it....... --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:03:53 ) ( 926 bytes ) +1
        
        Sorry, I said nothing about "second place." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:42:44 ) ( 226 bytes ) +1
        
        And it was the DEMS that pulled the money plug...... sheesh! --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:21:42 ) ( 221 bytes ) +1
        
        Excuse me, you should try reading history, NAR --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 18:34:17 ) ( 492 bytes ) +2
        
        "Crimes reminiscent of Sylvia Kahn" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 22:44:02 ) ( 993 bytes )
        Hey, NAR, gonna respond? (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:10:43 ) ( 0 bytes )
  - Obama's position is that we should withdraw...the race so far --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 15:20:14 ) ( 1190 bytes ) +1
    - Re: Obama's position is that we should withdraw...the race so far --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:25:21 ) ( 1356 bytes )
- Maliki endorses Obama's position AGAIN. --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:21:56 ) ( 1013 bytes ) link +2
  - Again, the issue isn't the timeline. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 17:55:07 ) ( 518 bytes )
  - No, Obama is parroting Maliki, just by lucky happenstance. --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:06:52 ) ( 785 bytes ) +1
    - We can't have both "won" and are "continuing to win." --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:10:26 ) ( 1503 bytes ) +2
      - All or nothing is pretty absolute, Joe --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:41:15 ) ( 635 bytes ) +1
        
        I read the objectives, they aren't being met --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:47:54 ) ( 723 bytes )
      - Oh great military expert. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:05:07 ) ( 1374 bytes )
Your " Mr convenient", Joe ----Maliki. --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 16:52:21 ) ( 3299 bytes ) +3
- The Shiftng Goal Posts. --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 17:49:44 ) ( 4151 bytes ) +2
  - How Ironic --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 18:03:53 ) ( 1332 bytes ) +2
    - No he doesn't....... --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 10:44:50 ) ( 711 bytes ) +2
      - What is "success" NAR? When will we know we "won?" (no text) --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 16:25:15 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        When Obama deletes his criticism's of the surge? ( NT) --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:00:36 ) ( 5 bytes ) +2
        
        Well said and VERY good point! ( NT) --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:56:10 ) ( 1 bytes )
        So what? (no text) --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:50:39 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1
        
        Huh? --- NAR ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:54:07 ) ( 176 bytes ) +1
        
        Cute, but kind of dumb, NAR (no text) --- Joe ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 22:14:55 ) ( 0 bytes )
      - When the stated goals have been met...... --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:35:33 ) ( 2716 bytes ) +2
        
        NAR, you're wasting time with this dude. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:09:22 ) ( 329 bytes ) +1
        
        That is not my argument, it's your fantasy of what it is. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 11:51:05 ) ( 5 bytes ) +1
        
        So let me get this straight, sigh... --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:29:22 ) ( 2058 bytes )
        
        And when will that be? Not much so far. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 12:05:27 ) ( 4055 bytes ) link +2
        
        Do you hold American, British or other politicians to such high standards? --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:16:02 ) ( 4329 bytes ) +1
        
        Dermot, I think you have obsessive thoughts about Saddam --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:50:11 ) ( 571 bytes ) +1
        
        Ridiculous response ...in fact, insulting , dishonest bullshit --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:36:38 ) ( 3665 bytes ) +1
        
        Sorry Dermot, but I think your insults are due to the fact.... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 15:52:09 ) ( 876 bytes ) +1
        
        It's a mystery, then, how most Iraqi's seem to agree with me, not you. --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 16:49:25 ) ( 4879 bytes ) +2
        
        Yes, what about the Iraqis, Dermot? But there is discrepancy there. --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:45:47 ) ( 1426 bytes ) link +1
        
        No discrepancy - it's two different things altogether. ( *small edit) --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:36:27 ) ( 9358 bytes )
        
        And then there's this, for example --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:52:36 ) ( 844 bytes ) link +2
        
        Your gall is impressive but extremely annoying. --- Dermot ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 20:41:40 ) ( 460 bytes ) +1
        
        And you would occupy Islamic countries for years.... --- Joe ( Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 13:41:31 ) ( 69 bytes ) +1
        
        Only if necessary, is my guess. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:39:44 ) ( 620 bytes )
        
        Yeah, that's some hutzpah. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Wed, Jul 23, 2008, 07:48:51 ) ( 1096 bytes )
        
        Re: And when will that be? Not much so far. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 13:50:39 ) ( 1805 bytes ) link
    - Okay, I get it, you think Bush and McCain are liars --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 13:08:53 ) ( 215 bytes ) +1
      - Re: Okay, I get it, you think Bush and McCain are liars --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:28:19 ) ( 122 bytes )
  - Re: The Shiftng Goal Posts. --- Dermot ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 19:39:09 ) ( 7254 bytes ) +2
    - Michael Yon, and "yellow cake." --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 20:34:39 ) ( 2149 bytes ) link
    - Brevity is a Virtue, Dermot -- but Iraq is a Disaster we need to leave --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 11:28:28 ) ( 1997 bytes ) +3
      - You really don't see anything, do you? --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:14:24 ) ( 1546 bytes ) +2
        
        Yeah, we're winning, just keep repeating that and clap harder --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 13:01:01 ) ( 1564 bytes ) link +1
        
        You can talk exact dates when you are leaving. --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:18:35 ) ( 3250 bytes ) +2
        
        Exactly. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:06:01 ) ( 391 bytes )
        Very interesting, but irrelevant.... --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:38:28 ) ( 505 bytes ) +1
        
        Is that so? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:51:11 ) ( 391 bytes )
        
        I see the best I know how... --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:26:16 ) ( 2200 bytes )
      - I feel a post a'comin' --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:06:57 ) ( 13.5 KB ) link +4
        
        Forgot to include link to Kimberly ----now included. (no text) --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:11:29 ) ( 0 bytes )
        Dermot, may I be allowed to crow some? --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:53:49 ) ( 1996 bytes ) +1
        
        Re: Dermot, may I be allowed to crow some? --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:12:13 ) ( 106 bytes )
        
        Obama ...deleting surge criticism's from his website .... --- Dermot ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 19:45:24 ) ( 459 bytes ) +1
        
        At best, it's a Grover Cleveland moment. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:20:32 ) ( 457 bytes )
        
        Some corrections to your post, Dermot --- Joe ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 10:54:10 ) ( 952 bytes )
      - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 14:22:30 ) ( 713 bytes )
- New Ad re Barak Obama's Radical Friends-- Funny --- Joe ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 18:05:34 ) ( 188 bytes ) link +1
  - So, didn't he say that he attended a "Muslim school?" --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 20:44:20 ) ( 745 bytes )
- I'm actually torn, here. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 18:19:07 ) ( 1640 bytes ) +1
  - And we expected what? --- NAR ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 12:06:13 ) ( 1542 bytes ) +1
    - Re: And we expected what? --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:06:25 ) ( 939 bytes )
Re: What is John McCain Going to Do Now? --- Cynthia ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 07:14:42 ) ( 1078 bytes ) +2
- Right, Cynthia, McCain is Screwed on Iraq --- Joe ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 10:52:22 ) ( 2064 bytes ) +1
  - I think you should bet the farm on this, Joe. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 20:13:26 ) ( 67 bytes )
- Claim victory, obviously. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:29:46 ) ( 42 bytes )

Save the dog. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 18:50:35 ) ( 1095 bytes )

Momento and the Winning of the Iraq War --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 12:02:12 ) ( 3588 bytes ) link +4

A matter of perspective - historical perspective. --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 13:34:22 ) ( 3795 bytes ) +1
- And this was the spirit of war I supported ... --- Dermot ( Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 14:30:49 ) ( 4145 bytes ) +1
  - They won't prevail. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 22:38:06 ) ( 1848 bytes ) +1
    - Extremistan. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 22:55:07 ) ( 1026 bytes ) link

The Tour has become a miserable parody. --- Juan Carlo Finesseti ( Fri, Jul 18, 2008, 14:02:02 ) ( 875 bytes ) +1

Don't be so grumpy Scott --- PatD ( Fri, Jul 18, 2008, 19:56:05 ) ( 749 bytes ) img

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