Now is still then...
Re: That was then, this is now . . . -- Dr.wow	Top of thread		Forum

Posted by: Mike Finch ® 10/27/2005, 05:04:59 Author Profile Edit Alert Moderators

Hi Wow Many times the idea of surrendering to "Guru Maharaj Ji" was used interchangeably with surrendering to "holy name" or the knowledge, this always seemed to me to be an intentional blurring of the lines. The implication of course was that Guru and this inner experience were one and the same. Like Marianne says, there is no doubt in my mind from the contact I still have with active premies that most of them (certainly those who got Knowledge a while ago) still believe in all this today. It is not a thing of the past. For most premies, Maharaji is still the embodiment of that 'superior power', who can channel his grace to the devoted and surrendered premie. And also that loving him or being devoted to him actually could trump meditation as being the way to find our "bliss". I don't think it so much 'trumps' meditation, as that meditation (meaning practising the Knowledge), along with satsang and service, was and is the way to keep that 'channel' clear and unobstructed, so that the grace could flow. You practised Knowledge so that Maharaji could show you your 'heart' and save you, since your mind was much too powerful to let you find your 'heart' unaided. That is still why the Knowledge has to be given within Maharaji's 'agya' (meaning given in the system he has set up); if you just learn the techniques from elsewhere, however hard you practise them, you will never get anywhere since there is not that 'connection' to Maharaji for the grace to flow. This belief system has been pretty consistent from the earliest days till now. I write about it more fully in the first few Maharaji articles on my site. -- Mike Modified by Mike Finch at Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 05:12:20

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Actually, I think Wow's got a point there --- Jim ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 10:20:08 ) ( 1297 bytes ) +3 I think you are right, Jim --- Joe ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 13:12:06 ) ( 1098 bytes ) +2 I remember that period well --- T ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:03:51 ) ( 1441 bytes ) +1 Re: I remember the end of that period differently --- paddy ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 16:16:44 ) ( 911 bytes ) +2 It was a very fearful thing to leave at that time. --- Joe ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 17:09:03 ) ( 2514 bytes ) +3 We all have different perspectives --- JHB ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:20:25 ) ( 1322 bytes ) +2 They were the best of times, they were the worst of times --- Jim ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 19:48:14 ) ( 1569 bytes ) +1 Re: They were the best of times, they were the worst of times --- paddy ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 16:09:49 ) ( 1035 bytes ) the value of the ordinary --- 13 ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:50:55 ) ( 131 bytes ) That's how it was for me as well. (no text) --- Dr.wow ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:44:22 ) ( 0 bytes ) +1 Hey Doctor.... --- Joe ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 15:03:04 ) ( 214 bytes ) +1 Re: Hey Doctor.... --- Dr.wow ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 16:10:43 ) ( 357 bytes ) Re: It was a very fearful thing to leave at that time. --- Steve ( Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 11:01:11 ) ( 669 bytes ) +1 Maharaji said you would go to hell... --- Joe ( Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:36:12 ) ( 448 bytes ) +1 Re: Maharaji said you would go to hell... --- Steve ( Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 18:14:01 ) ( 519 bytes ) +2 Re: Maharaji said you would go to hell... --- Gallery ( Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 01:21:39 ) ( 431 bytes ) link Re: Maharaji said you would go to hell... --- Joe ( Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 17:12:46 ) ( 608 bytes ) I guess I ought to clarify --- T ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 01:38:08 ) ( 1184 bytes ) +1 Re: clarification accepted --- paddy ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 16:15:49 ) ( 743 bytes ) +1 Re: clarification accepted --- T ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 17:05:46 ) ( 1662 bytes ) Re: I think you are right, Jim --- Cynthia ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:19:47 ) ( 1399 bytes ) +1 Right, the Poconos program was in 1977, not 1979. --- Joe ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:35:39 ) ( 39 bytes ) +1 Poconos --- AJW ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 03:49:06 ) ( 192 bytes ) +2 Speaking of Poconos.... --- Joe ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 11:38:16 ) ( 753 bytes ) +1 LOL sounds like a tourist ad! --- Susan ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:15:40 ) ( 143 bytes ) +1 Thanks for the chuckle! --- Jim ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:47:48 ) ( 175 bytes ) Re: Poconos --- 13 ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:55:14 ) ( 141 bytes ) Re: Actually, I think Wow's got a point there --- Jethro ( Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:01:40 ) ( 487 bytes ) It's all in the Gita Jim. --- AJW ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 03:31:09 ) ( 887 bytes ) +2 Ah yes, where would I be without the Gita of all things? --- Jim ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 09:30:32 ) ( 929 bytes ) +1 LOL. (ot) --- AJW ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 09:51:46 ) ( 107 bytes ) Re:Gita says devotion to Krishna, not Rawat (no text) --- paddy ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 16:18:41 ) ( 0 bytes ) +2 Re: Gita says devotion to Krishna, not Rawat --- Steve ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 16:30:11 ) ( 354 bytes ) link How soon you have forgotten Paddy. --- AJW ( Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 03:56:04 ) ( 187 bytes ) Re: Now is still then... --- Steve ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 08:26:36 ) ( 460 bytes ) link Re: Now is still then... --- PatD ( Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:21:41 ) ( 1868 bytes )