I believe that bans should not be permanent.

POV is being kept at arms length until he drops the toxic attitude and vibe, nothing new to any of us reading here, so let's all get down to earth.  POV was just plain rude, crude, ugly and impolite, and nobody here deserves to be treated like that premie or ex-premie.  I am sick and f*cking tired of enduring abuse as meanspirited as any racist rathole in the south USA in trhe 50's, only in this scenario, the ex-premies are the ones being degraded,WHERE WE LIVE ON THIS FORUM!  We don't have to take it and kiss ass hoping that some premie will see the light because we ate so much of their shit it dawned on him or her.  Screw that!  NO MORE MARTYRS!  A premie will sooner respect an ex-premie when they don't take any shit, but don't give it back either, just cut off the vulnerable channel until the fumes go away and the toxicity dies down.

POV was not honest in the vibe.  He was hiding something, either something of his own or something from who may have sent him.  His viciousness towards someone here who was already victimized, Susan, should have been a wake up call to all of us that this Forum has been invaded by at least one hardliner who is not here to have his opinion of Prem Rawat changed.  And we have been attacked from within, terrorized.  We need to be more vigilant without choking the life force off of this Forum.  We need to circle Susan and others and protect them from crap like POV was dishing.  Really.

As for POV being the most honest premie you can expect, you are wrong again.  I am living proof.  Rather, he is down towards the other end of the continuum.  And I say that before someone can post here regularly, they ought to be obliged to agree to play as hard as they can but they have to play nice at the same time...to be able to dialong about issues with all the passion and conviction they can muster, but not make it a personal war, which is what happens so much of the time. (Gee, I wonder who is fostering that feeling over in premieworld?)  When it gets nasty and personal, time for the box, like in Hockey.  POV was not banned, he was sent to the box (the rest of the universe besides F8.)  He can come back at a time that could be determined by the mods, and then conditionally, if he plays nice.  Just some ideas.  Later.