If the 'students' of m are miserable, sad and unfulfilled then what does that say about the master/ teacher?

It simply says the teacher is not good, of course.  We judge the many teachers we have this way.... by their `fruits`. And actions speak louder than words to me.

I`m out of touch from the m & k scene these days.... (which is why I joined this forum... to re-connect with old timers and perhaps meet some new ones!) so I can`t really comment on the nature of most premies.

When I was a premie back in the 70s I was young and looked through rose tinted glasses. It was/still is a seductive message after all, and we all recognised something in it for us. Fortunately I managed to wipe my eyes before they became a too cloudy.

I feel like I gained some dear friends during my DLM time and lost a few as well. It was the nature of premies that attacted me in the first place, and the nature of Maharaji that drove me away.