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Re: Belief -- jonx Top of thread Forum
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Mike Finch ®

04/11/2005, 13:27:01
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Hi Jonx

For the record, what you report me as writing was not what I actually wrote:

Mike Finch... describing how he once felt about Maharaji, and how that is now null and void because he came to “realize” his feelings were all based on a belief system that he could no longer entertain.

Let me take it piece by piece:

describing how he once felt about Maharaji, and how that is now null and void...

I am not sure what this means. I once felt a lot for Maharaji. How can it become 'null and void' (your words, not mine)? It happened, and I still remember what I once felt for him. I now feel something different for him, but what I once felt I once felt.

..because he came to “realize” his feelings were all based on a belief system...

Why the word realize in quotes? Writing "realize" like that indicates that you don't think I actually 'realized' anything. If you don't think that, use a word that accurately describes what you really think.

...on a belief system that he could no longer entertain.

You are correct that I could no longer entertain the belief system.

But that is not the reason why I left. I left because it became clear to me that Maharaji was not able to deliver on his promises. If he was able to deliver, I would certainly have stayed, whatever kind of belief system he fostered.

Like John above, I agree with much of what else you write. To have the courage to look beyond a belief system is a great quality. Even to look at the possibility that what is real and meaningful for you might be a belief system rather than what is real, is courageous.

Unfortunately, this is not a quality that premies have - by definition, because if they do, for the most part they cease to be premies.

So I agree with your final sentence:

You see belief has a purpose. But once it has outgrown its purpose it must be discarded. People who yearn for truth cannot hold on to belief forever because it is constraining and stunts growth. It must at some point be replaced with Knowledge.

except for the fact that you spell 'knowledge' with an upper case 'K', showing that you do not mean 'knowledge' as most people mean it, as having a high degree of certainty about something through (as my dictionary has it) 'a result of perception and learning and reasoning'. Instead you mean the four techniques of meditation that Maharaji teaches, which is quite different.

When someone takes a common word, spells it with an upper case first letter, and uses it to mean something quite different from its common meaning, it shows they are deluded at best, and being deliberately dishonest and misleading at worst.

A final point: one of the main tenets of Rawatism (Maharaji's belief system) is that there is no belief system. So you are indeed a true believer, which in fact I never doubted.

-- Mike







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