Joy Wisdom (sic), maths is how they say it on the other side of the Atlantic. Sir Dave was referring directly to the press release from TPRF. If you have a problem with that, perhaps you should take it up with them.But really there are two things to consider here. The success of Rawat's mission in the West, which Dave was referring to, and the success in India. If one is to believe what DLM said in the 70's, Rawat had what, over 6 million followers there. So even in India the numbers have gone down. But I think you know that already, so why are you trying to argue a non-arguable point?