Hi Jonx,

Are you really that full of anger and hate and distrust and ...and...and.. I am just taken aback by your hostility. I AM trying to have a civil conversation with you and you keep flaming out. Then you run away.

I don't think we ex-premies have this unified front of beliefs that you say we do. We have everything from atheists, to Christians, to New Agers, to me - probably one of the most "out there" people in this group. About the only thing the ex-premies have in common is that we were premies.

I sincerely would like to have a respectful spirited discussion with you about what it was/is to be a premie and what it is to be an ex. If you can, please bring yourself to a place of centeredness and security so that you are not needing to react in anger and with put downs. Really, you come off as a very insecure person. I don't mean this with any unkindness, but you are really hurting your case with your anger.

Also, please check out my website. You will see that what drives my life is far removed from both rawat and most of the people in this forum. If you take the time to listen to the voices of the posters here and learn their personalities, you will see a great variety here. I don't expect anyone to believe as I do and I don't feel the pressure to become a Secular Humanist. I want to be as open and honest about who I am as is appropriate on this forum. That is why I give my name. Will you open up and give yours?  I won't bite you. What are you afraid of?

My website is www.returnoflight.com

Karen