Andries,

I do not condone it and I am well aware of the harm it causes. Trying to understand and explain is not the same as condoning it.

Britsh Psychiatry professor Anthony Storr wrote in his book "Feet of clay: A study of gurus" that a guru who has sex with his followers harms them very much.

It's not about "gurus who have sex with their followers," and certainly isn't about a man's "flesh being weak!"  I don't know if you're misinterpreting something from Storr, but if you are reading him correctly and paraphrasing, well, than that guy's got a lot to learn too. As I explained to you before, sexual assault isn't about sex, it's about power and control.  Your remark was crude and insensitive.  That's the point that you don't understand that I discussed with you weeks ago concerning the many remarks you have made in the past on this forum about sexual exploitation, abuse, and assault.  That's why I asked you not to bring it up here anymore.  I made an error of judgment by even mentioning something about Rawat's sexual exploitation of premie women to you directly, because I opened the door for a response from you and that didn't turn out well at all. 

It's not the purpose of this forum or the job of anyone here to educate you on the very basics of sexual assault victimology -- that's your responsibility to do and it's not the subject of this board.  When you try to joke about it, that makes it even worst because it's not your subject to joke about.  So, I'll tell you once again and hopefully for the last time, Andries, you do not know enough about even the basics about the subject of sexual abuse/rape/assault victimology to even have a conversation about it in public, much less make a joke about it.  You make inappropriate remarks about this subject all of the time, and it's not the purpose of this forum to educate you about it here.  It's much too sensitive a subject to me personally, and to many others that I know who are either victims within the cult, or were victims outside of the cult, who also read this forum.

I do want say that when you make pronouncements, instead asking questions or giving your own comments about any topic, it is not perceived or received by me as your "trying to understand and explain..."   Those comments come across as your own thoughts and ideas, then you back away from them as if you never even thought them. Well, you never really did think them, someone else did and you're just repeating them in the form of quotes.  Then, when you are ever challenged by someone else here, most often you come back with more quotes by scholars instead of thinking for yourself.  That's not having a conversation, Andries.  I can read books too, and just make quotes here instead of expressing myself.  Anyone can do that -- it's very easy to do.  Thinking for oneself isn't easy, especially coming out of a cult.  That's something some folks have to practice at doing.

Andries, I can't have a discussion on this forum with Benjamin Zablocki or Anthony Storr, the two authors you quoted.  For all you know, I might even disagree with those people, so quoting them doesn't give you extra power in a post, just because they have published books.  Anyone can get a book published. You substitute your own thinking by mostly replying to others here by using the quotes of published people, when you don't even expand on the quotes to convey your own thoughts and opinions.  

But, as I said, it's not my job to explain these things to you over and over again, especially the subject of rape and other forms of sexual assaut.  In the 21st Century, Andries,  it's your job to know about these issues, not just for the sake of discussion on this forum, but for the sake being a man who lives in the 21st Century.  The things I explained to you in my post about sexual assault, rape, abuse, etc. a few weeks ago, are not things that I just made up, either.  Although you just blew me off by saying you just don't trust the facts about this and practically called me a liar about it.  I also provided you with resources on the internet so that you could explore this issue on your own for your own benefit, especially when you discuss the sexual abuse that took place within the SSB cult.  It's not good enough that you say you "don't trust the experts" on the subject of sexual assault victimology, "without having cooberating evidence."  Again, it's not your job to investigate the claims, just to understand the issues so you have an understanding so you can be empathic with victims.  So far, you're not empathic with victims.  Plus, that's a specious excuse because you certainly seem to trust every other "expert" and "scholar" on other subjects that interest you and you have no problem quoting them. 

Btw, this post not an invitation for you to start quoting experts on sexual asssault here, nor is it an invitation to have any more discussions with me about the subject.  I have extended myself more than enough to you in order to explain something to you, and you didn't believe me, so I think it's best if you just stay away from that particular topic until you understand the issues better.

Cynthia