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11/07/2020, 10:49:21
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Mr Biden has won.

I hope you Americans have learned a lesson from this. No more orange idiots for president! Don't forget!






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11/07/2020, 10:53:16
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Born a naysayer, I'm still going to be cautious about the Biden win.

There's probably going to be some recounts and maybe court challenges by the orange man.

And now is the time for Joe Biden to go back to his basement to help ensure he doesn't get COVID.






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11/07/2020, 18:19:31
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Ok, as the day has worn on, I've become a believer that Biden won and the national nightmare is over.

I tell you that it feels like a really big national holiday to me and maybe others as a sense of relief loosens the fear in our hearts.

I wonder if Trump gets deeply involved with QAnon or something like that which allows him to create fake conspiracy theories.






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11/08/2020, 01:25:43
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In these days of uncertainty, I've got into the habit of preparing for the worst. But the worst is uncertain, and unlikely. So I guess I need to also allow for the possibility that in so many ways, things might just improve. Biden's win highlighted that for me. Long way to go, but hey, one good thing...

I guess these conspiracy theories always need an author. And I guess the authors are usually narcissists, who see themselves at the centre of things and everything revolving around them. These people have more certainty than is healthy. They don't need evidence or experts, they don't need to do deep hard analysis, they don't try to be objective - they just rely on their gut feeling, which in my opinion is generally over-rated. So, facts are made up to suit their mood, and they can't be wrong because they know they're right.

I wonder if after all people who believe QAnon stuff might just be taken less seriously. I have a family member who is into the 5G/BillGates/Covid hoax thing. (I think it goes: Covid is a hoax that will allow my Mr Gates to force a vaccine into every one of us and the vaccine contains a chip that will allow Mr Gates to track us all through 5G). Maybe I'm just getting old (and grumpy and impatient) but I think it's time to call out bullshit whenever and wherever, and not worry too much about people's feelings. I have seen a great deal of harm come about because of people's belief in homeopathy - a seemingly harmless, no side-effect treatment. These people have gone without or delayed treatment with real medicine because of the perceived benefits of the quack cure. One died. And from such innocuous seeming wishy washy wishful thinking. 

Maybe the the tide of bullshit might turn... I'm not hopeful, but will try to allow for the possibility at least.






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11/08/2020, 03:10:04
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I really enjoyed Veep, but the Trump administration has gone beyond the excellent imagination of the beloved Armando Ianucci.

Rudy Guiliani doing the press conference in the car park of Four Seasons Landscaping, on the edge of town between the crematorium and a dildo shop.

When the journalists interrupt him to tell him the networks have declared a Biden victory, he's the one telling them not to be ridiculous.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre






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11/08/2020, 10:06:11
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I read the linked article. How totally appropriate and funny.






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11/08/2020, 10:12:37
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Isn't it just great? It's had me chuckling on and off all day. How the hell did that come about? Why wasn't it just cancelled? I'd have thought it excellent fake news, but Trump had announced it on Twitter it the day before. Were they trying to just cover his errors?






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11/10/2020, 11:48:00
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I have a lot of respect for gut feeling.  I am horrified at how easily one's connection to it is disabled.  As premies it was squashed under the god delusion - you don't know any better, God knows.  and in a toxic relationship it gets squashed under the partner's lies.  And yet gut feeling is a life saver - it's the thing that stops you stepping on a snake.  
How does it do that.  Your eyes are not on the path and yet you have become conscious there is danger and stopped still.

It seems to me there is a part of me that is doing calculations - they're accurate and fast.  I'm generally entirely unaware of it, just like I am unaware of what most of my internals are doing, but at emergency times you become more aware of it.  Like when I rounded the bend and there was a cow in the middle of the cutting and one part of me is making the calculation of how much brake how much swerve while the rest of me is only now registering the cow and the lack of time or space to get round it.

I'm persisting with the vibrations conversation because I am interested if this is a way of navigating that is different like bats with their echo location maybe sensitives navigate by the vibrations of emotional eddies or something like that, and we were talking about an autistic child we had in swimming he went berko with the fractured after-school energy that came in with the kids.  

anyway so it's not reliant on vision.  when I was 10 and getting knocked down by a speeding car outside our home my mother was miles away and she was getting up from the table in a posh restaurant in the middle of dinner with her parents in law and insisting she needed to go home now.

These stories are legion, to the point it has it's own name - maternal instinct -  but it's gut instinct isn't it, and I just accept it's the same as the rest of my being - gut instinct runs on the lines of love.  the hawk that pounces on a mouse from on high loves it's prey.  Me freezing instead of stepping on a red belly black snake loves me.  Look it's all a bit dot and carry, does the me blundering into a paper wasp love me any the less?  well if you talk to a vibrationalist they will have plenty to say on that subject.  Just brace yourself for the five lettered K word.

so yes it is a bit disturbing, the conspiracy theory/QAnon thing, it seems to have a wide grip so that you get right wing conspiracy theories coming out of the New Age quarter. and talking about the New Age something is going to happen on Dec 21 oh we move from Jupiter to Saturn and there might be a portal opening up to the dawning of the new age.  I mean is this all about selling ice cream in Alice Springs? 

gut instinct is where the rubber meets the road.  my experience has been that no matter how squelched it is when the point comes that my survival has been at stake I find my gut instinct is doing everything to get it's message through to me so I think maybe the tide of bullshit will inevitably turn as our survival depends more and more immediately on it doing so.

personally I'm pessimistic - I see it as maybe a moment of clarity, ah, I have been pounced on by a sabre-toothed tiger and it is about to chew me u......

but there is also hope in me.






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11/07/2020, 14:27:45
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yes, I hope Boris goes away too.

if you look at what's happened here then there's every reason to be hopeful that lockdowns will work and I do have a lot of confidence in the British people to handle doing a lockdown well, but I am still scared at the huge numbers.  








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11/07/2020, 15:27:20
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They did the lockdown once. I don't think they'll be as compliant this time around. The world beating test and trace system Boris promised and paid £12 billion for doesn't really work. The rules have changed so often that even cabinet ministers including Boris haven't managed to keep up to date. Some of the rules just don't make much sense. Most people still don't actually know anyone who has been affected by it, so overall, I don't expect good compliance and I don't think the numbers will go down much any time soon.


And then there's Brexit coming, courtesy of Boris. We've got a border round Kent and we've concreted over lots of countryside to stack the waiting lorries while they get the paperwork right and recruit more customs officers.








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11/07/2020, 16:17:52
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oh goodness, Brexit - the whole of Kent has become a Chunnel bubble!  how horrible.  oh I'm glad my mum isn't alive to hear that!!!






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