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Herman Cain dies from COVID. Didn't mask up. Was at Trump's rally.
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07/30/2020, 10:38:26
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Herman Cain, 2012 GOP Presidential Candidate And Businessman, Dies At Age 74

Don't want to be mean or anything, but maybe if he had just worn a mask...


Here's some of the juicy quotes:

The Tea Party activist had been hospitalized for one month after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

Cain reportedly learned that he tested positive for COVID-19 on June 29. He was hospitalized two days later after developing “serious” symptoms, according to a statement shared on his Twitter account at the time.

His diagnosis came less than two weeks after he attended President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Cain, who co-chaired Black Voices for Trump, tweeted a photo of himself without a mask at the event, which was attended by several thousand people.

“Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump,” Cain wrote. “PEOPLE ARE FED UP!”







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Re: Herman Cain dies from COVID. Didn't mask up. Was at Trump's rally.
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Quirky ®

07/30/2020, 15:16:34
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Here's what Damon Young from VerySmartBrothas.theroot.com said re: Herman Cain death:
There are tens of thousands of Americans—nurses and uncles; bus drivers and doctors; aunties and baristas; grad students and my friend—who were killed by COVID-19 because they just weren’t able to escape it. Perhaps their occupation was high-risk. Perhaps they were unable to effectively social distance. Perhaps they had underlying—and white supremacy-induced—medical conditions that made contraction of this virus fatal. Perhaps they just didn’t realize how sick they actually were until it was too late.

Former presidential candidate Herman Cain, who died this morning—weeks after reportedly falling ill after attending a Trump rally in Tulsa—had no such excuse. He should’ve known. He could’ve prevented his death. He could’ve saved himself. He could’ve saved others. But he died how he lived—tragically, stupidly, and clutching onto an anchor of white supremacy, hoping it would save him from drowning, not realizing it had bound his arms too.

It is unfortunate that he is dead. My thoughts and my prayers today, however, are for the people he might have also infected; who might be sick today and dead tomorrow because a 74-year-old Black man still wished to be white.


Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB, a columnist for GQ.com, and the author of What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Blacker (Ecco/HarperCollins)







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eDrek ®

07/30/2020, 18:34:48
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He sure didn't pull any punches with that message.

It's too bad that innocent people might be getting sick and dying due to people who won't mask up and unbeknownst to them get the virus and spread it wildly. That's gonna end up in their bad karma column.







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07/30/2020, 19:39:47
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Damon Young is a sharp no BS writer. I read his verysmartbrothas on Twitter and FB. He is the main blogger on that roots blog. His book What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Blacker is winning awards.






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07/31/2020, 17:46:54
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What an arrogant creep this fellow is. He calls himself a 'professional black'.....whoa right there. So he makes a living out of the colour of his skin, but denigrates someone who tried to rise above that, & succeeded, as being merely,

....a 74-year-old Black man(who)still wished to be white.

Why not just sneer at him as an Uncle Tom & be done with it, but no, he has to link it in with the politicisation of disease.

And WTF is a white supremacy induced medical condition?






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lesley ®

08/01/2020, 15:46:52
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The only white supremacy induced medical condition I've heard of is gout. 

Though I'm guessing that's likely to be a stereotype anyway.






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08/02/2020, 13:33:27
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HAHA! Known as the disease of kings. 






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08/02/2020, 16:52:12
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I never would've thought of that one, but you're probably right. Every time I feel that electric twinge in my big toe & think, oh shit is this the gout starting up, I automatically start checking myself for signs of white supremacy too.

I don't know if this is true, but I get the impression that gout is not so prevalent as it once was.

I remember when our eldest son was around 5 he came down with scarlet fever. We had a very good doctor who explained that the treatment was pretty much the same as it had been 80 yrs previously, but that the outlook was much improved, though for no reason to do with medical science.

It seems that the disease had become much less deadly as well as less common over time & the reason why was entirely unknown.

Let's hope the same thing happens with the kung flu.






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08/01/2020, 22:20:35
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So Damon Young is a satirist and blogger whose subjects are not just political figures, but actors, musicians, entertainment moguls, etc. Oprah, Ellen, Kanye, Trump, Pence, Putin, Sports figures, everyone. He goes after all of them and goes to the edge and many times over the edge. In a way like Tucker Carlson pushes his ideas over the edge, and does it intentionally to rile people up. Except Young is not as mean-spirited or dishonest as Tucker (my opinion). I like reading Young because he brings a different perspective and humor to the table. When he talks about “white supremacy induced” in this instance It’s referring to the fact that Trump and many of his followers are on that end of the spectrum along with those anti-maskers so that at the Tulsa rally they refused to wear masks, they love their confederate flags etc. mixing up supremacy with Covid, so Cain was most likely exposed to Covid due to following Trump’s lead about not wearing masks. Not everyone can relate to the lateral connections Young makes, but I do, so I am pretty sure we are on different ends of the spectrum on that and many other issues, which won’t be resolved on this forum or any other. PS he has written about Cain many times and I think "Uncle Tom" was mentioned!






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The spectrum
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08/02/2020, 17:41:33
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You're likely correct about us being on the different ends of it if you take left /right as defined by the self-styled opinion formers as gospel. I don't. Like most people I hold a variety of views about all sorts of things which are contradictory if looked at through the pure lens of ideology.

They are, I admit, mainly conservative culturally, but that doesn't mean that I'm on the side of Wall St multis & their corrupt stranglehold on the American body politic either.

I can't pretend to understand the nuances of American racial politics, so I don't go there. Sometimes though something comes through which just jars badly.

This reaction to Mr Cain's death is one such, & he's a man I'd never heard of until now.

Dr. Goebbels left a legacy of how to do propaganda which lives on......put that observation on your spectrum & maybe we aren't so far apart as you might want to believe.






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08/03/2020, 12:30:26
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Hey Pat,
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. And yes, I agree that using a left right spectrum to label people and pigeon-hole them and then judge them (as the media and pundits love to do) is not at all where I want to come down, especially if this is a conversation and not a debate. I also hold a variety of seemingly contradictory opinions and though I am pretty far left when it comes to many things I also consider myself somewhat of a social heretic and maybe find myself on some of the tangent lines here and there instead of the main trunk of any spectrum. I sometimes think that coffee table liberals manifest the “value gap” which is a concept coined by Eddie Glaude Jr., professor of African-American Studies at Princeton Univ. One example of the value gap is where a supposed liberal ally will celebrate MLK birthday, post the “I have a Dream” speech on their FB page, and then call it a day, still living a life of white privilege without realizing it. It is not a label of condemnation but an observation of where many “liberals” fail to walk the walk today. I also have an aversion to many of the new age liberal ideas that float around as justifications etc. Anyway, that’s all to say I agree with your ideas that humans are more complex and cannot be placed in one point on one line.

I agree totally with your example of Goebbels as he is not only pegged at the fascism/white supremacy end of a spectrum, the fact that he poisoned his many children before he and his wife committed suicide puts him in a satellite somewhere on a weird tangent off the end, maybe near Jim Jones, etc. only having affected millions more lives. Anyway that puts us probably very close together on any line! Interesting how some of his techniques of propaganda are evident today.

As far as American racial politics goes, it also manifests opinions all over place, but I have studied and read widely over the years, as far back as the late 1960s when, as a student at the University of Washington, campuses were in turmoil for both political and racial events, very similar to now in many ways: John & Bobby Kennedy were killed, and also Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and many others. J Edgar Hoover was running his secret Cointelpro. Anyway I took a class in African-American History back then, and also several classes on the History of England, I was always curious about the roots of what was growing in that present. When I graduated in spring of 1970, I drove up the Alcan to Alaska as some of my friends were marching in the streets facing the police Tach squads as they closed down I-5, the major freeway in Seattle, troops killed 4 students in Kent State. So I was more of a back-to-nature hippie than a political radical but we were all breathing in that atmosphere of turmoil.

It seems to me that we have the same atmosphere now in America, but today I am reading and studying James Baldwin (again), Ta-Nehisi Coates, Kiese Laymon, Eddie Glaude, Hanif Abdurraqib and other black voices. Herman Cain, who died of Covid, was in an extreme minority of blacks, as a supporter of Trump and in his administration. As a CEO of Godfather Pizza for 10 years and a long background in business and finance, he had a stake in Wall Street and its values. My reading of Damon Young’s short post is that he offers condolences for Cain’s death but also commented on what he did with his life as far as supporting powerful white supremacists. But I can see how his “shock jock” stance could be offensive. Anyway, I don’t mean to go on and on but just want to respond to the points you make in your post in as thoughtful a way as I can. What I understand as the gist of black & racial politics is an attempt not only to end the way blacks are treated in many police encounters, but to educate the public on what has been the dark and untaught underbelly of the American dream and the creation of American wealth. Our country would not be as wealthy if its commercial roots of capitalism were not built on the backs of slaves. One makes more money with free labor. That is only a tiny piece of the puzzle that starts the conversation. Most students in America are not taught real history but are taught the American Myth.

Anyway I am offering this link to a debate in 1965 between James Baldwin and William Buckley at Cambridge University, about the topic: “Has the American Dream been achieved at the expense of the American Negro.” It is a popular debate, and this video has over 2 million views. Baldwin is still, after all these years and from the grave, a major voice in getting to the core of the conversation about American racial politics. If your interest takes you there, it will be well worth the 50 minutes. (At least the 20 minutes of Baldwin talking). Skip the political ads that come up before the video!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFeoS41xe7w&feature=youtu.be

Kerry (Quirky)





Related link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFeoS41xe7w&feature=youtu.be
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08/03/2020, 17:03:47
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Thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it & will get round to watching it sometime.

Of course Goebbels was a fascist in the sense that the movement he was part of believed that big business & government should work hand in hand, but he was also a socialist, a national one rather than international, & his white supremacy was reserved for a small subset of all those with white skin.

I think these nuances are important.

What I was really thinking of when I brought his name up, was that he applied the techniques of PR & advertising as developed by Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays, to politics. This is a method which was never repudiated after the fall of nazism, & indeed goes from strength to ghastly strength on all 'sides' in what is probably a futile attempt to halt the process of civilisational decline.

Just to cheer you up.






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Eddie Bernays: The Father of Spin
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Quirky ®

08/03/2020, 21:23:18
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Actually your post did cheer me up in a weird way! I have never met anyone else who knew about Edward Bernays. I guess I run in the wrong circles (I’m not in PR or advertising).

I first heard about him in the 1990s when I was following an obsessive curiosity about American Imperialism in Central America, Banana Republics, and the United Fruit Company. I found info about him and how he learned from his Uncle Freud, by reading Bernays’ autobiography from 1965. Also I learned how he was hired by United Fruit to create the “need” for bananas in the US so they could sell more. Anyway, in 1998 this new biography came out: The Father of Spin: Edward L. Bernays and the birth of Public Relations, which I bought and have read a few times and used for research for an essay I was writing about US manipulation and economic takeover of Guatemala back in the 1950s and later. What I found most fascinating in the book is 1) his work with the tobacco companies to manipulate the public into accepting women as smokers by portraying it as women wanting to be “independent” and “free” so that it would double their corporate income. 2) Then the one I was most interested in was the lengths he went to in getting everyone in the US to believe that a banana was an essential and healthy breakfast for all American children to eat every day, creating a bigger market for the US Fruit companies who were operating in Guatemala and Honduras, etc. The technique he invented, as I am sure you know, called Crystallizing Public Opinion, used fake health nonprofits and commissions with fake doctors writing briefs about the benefits of the banana, teaching packets for teachers in schools with kid activities, etc. They also had doctors writing briefs about the benefits of smoking for women, “to lose weight.” This was so the public thought that all these experts from all over the place “must” be telling the truth.

So back to your point about Goebbels. I had not remembered reading anything about him in my research on Bernays, but that was a long time ago, so tonight I got the book off the shelf and found Goebbels name in the index and there was that one page about just what you were saying. Goebbels used Bernays, Crystallizing technique as his “campaign against the Jews of Germany.” I totally agree that we see these techniques taught in PR and marketing: how to manipulate people into spending money and buying products. But more insidious is their use politically, as you point out...on both sides, or all sides. I don’t know what the answer is, the spin is all around us, and only education can get people to see it. In the '90s when I was researching my curiosity on this, I was also in the midst of 10 years teaching public school (elementary) to 9-11 year olds. I remember trying to teach critical thinking skills by bringing in videos of commercials and walking kids through the rhetoric and how they were being manipulated. It was pretty funny and eye opening, but who knows if it stuck. So anyway, I do go on and on but it was so exciting to read your reference to Eddie and realize that we are possibly more alike than different in our world view.

Just for “fun” (and for anyone else reading this post) here is a quote from page 111 of my book about Bernays:
“. . . he learned in 1933 that Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels was using Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. Bernays heard about it from Karl von Wiegand, foreign correspondent for the Hearst papers, who had visited with Goebbels in Germany and had been given a tour of his library. While scholars still debate the extent to which the Nazis used Bernays works, Goebbels did employ techniques nearly identical to those used by Bernays—skillfully exploiting symbols by making Jews into scapegoats and Hitler into the embodiment of righteousness, manipulating the media by trumpeting Nazi triumphs on the battlefield and hiding their extermination campaigns; and vesting unheard-of power in state propagandists just as Bernays had advised in Crystallizing.”







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08/04/2020, 01:08:44
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About Bernays and little about Goebbels. Interesting, thanks!






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08/04/2020, 18:45:44
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