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11/25/2023, 16:05:31
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My favorite up and coming cult expert scholar is Daniella Mestyanek Young who grew up in the Children of God, a cult with widespread child sexual abuse, physical abuse and child labor. It is about as bad as cults get, and you can read about the Children of God and feel lucky we were not in that cult. 

She has this amazing list and I think I can't find it anywhere but her videos because it will be in her next book.

Her cult definition

1. The charistmatic leader (and his skinny white woman) 

Does it count if he had two skinny white women? Well one didn't get to be a goddess or the mother of his children.

2. A sacred assumption

3. The transcendent mission

4. Self-sacrifice of members

5.Limits access to outside world

6. Distinguishable vernacular

7. Us vs Them mentality

8. Exploits member's labor

9. High Exit costs

10. Ends Justify the means mentality

( other than limiting access to outside world, it's still a cult. And it was 10/10 in the 1970s)

She has a guru gotcha checklist too... I will post a link

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzoNpkWMWxE/

a checklist for toxic AF groups

https://www.instagram.com/p/CydzzOSu-zf/

and what I was looking for here - 
her Ten Commandments for Good Groups that Aren't Cults

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyWA8n1usOY/


1. Thou Shalt not rape the Children or Stand by Those who do

The Prem Rawat cult at least in the 1970s not a good group who is not a cult. Are they now?  I do not think they chant "Rawat" but we sure as hell did the Bhole Shri which fit 10/10 in 1970s. But I am focused on the #1 commandment, broken in so many bad groups and cults.


The reports of the other Jagdeo victims , 8-14 years old. I would not be shocked if he abused girls even younger, or boys, as was once reported. 

You are right Prem Rawat definitely exploited the people who were morally corrupt in the group (even if in turn they too exploited the group). I think it's akin to why he liked mob movies so much.  I think like most victimizers, he can mostly sniff out who will keep his secrets, who is vulnerable to what, who he can use in which way. 

The corruption sentence and not having genuine respect for anyone outside our group. That's how it was. I was that way too. I think that I ever thought that way horrifies me too.














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