Thanks for your post.

". . . but what you say lacks the empathy or even sympathy"

There are many other ex-premies on this site who have responded to GOK with empathy and sympathy, good for them, but this is not the empathetic-only-ex-premie Forum. I believe GOK evades the difficult questions about Rawat and "Knowledge" and is not sincere.

"derided by various gleeful voices."

I wasn't being derisive though I was being gleeful, I find GOK amusing.

"Good for you if you feel no lack and have no aspirations to more happiness and positivity. Are you suggesting there is something wrong with others who are not like you?"

I am suggesting there is something wrong with a premie who doesn't acknowledge the cognitive dissonance of their situation, getting less carrot and more cow dung smoothie.

"I assume when you said "normal premie" this was a slip and you meant "average premie"?

normal: conforming to the usual standard, type, or custom.
To be a little more pedantic I was referring to the mode average premie.

"But why should anyone be an average anything?"

By definition most of the premies will be of the average premie type. No big deal.

"Thank you for your frankness in admitting that your horizons, in respect of your comments at least, are limited to "the wealthy parts of Earth"."

I wouldn't presume to answer for people from other backgrounds.

"What of the premies who are not in these wealthy parts?"

I imagine they would have to put 'survival' in their list of positive actions but I didn't want to assume, after all I am called Paddy for a reason.

"For myself, I just spent six months in Jamaica, not on palm-fringed beaches but in dusty, almost hopeless Kingston - a place which has, sadly, gone downhill further since Bob Marley bewailed its plight in the Seventies."

I'm not sure what your point is Ian.

"What of premies who are not in their fifties? There are some, very close to me, who are considerably younger and older. They don’t fit in to your stereotype. Why should a premie - let's for Heaven's sake say a human being, because we are all the same - be "past this sort of thinking"?"

I confess it's just a concept of mine that an average premie, in their fifties, who posts on the ex-premie forum in a positive manner about their premiehood with over 25 years of meditation, satsang and service behind them should be in a blissful state of consciousness and "past this sort of thinking" or acknowledge they are mistaken about Rawatism.

"I assume that you are yourself an ex-premie. Do you imagine that a premie, who became one because of spiritual hunger and ideals, will at one stroke abandon those ideals for nothing more than family, friends, work, entertainment – things which premies in any case have seldom renounced?"