.....although I could never talk about my " understanding " of M and K as clearly as him ( there were too many fuzzy,blurry and embarrassingly inexplicable areas for me to try to explain ).However I  probably reached the same line in the "sincerity" measuring jug and was (sometimes ) as sweet and disingenuous. Yes, I woz Gok.......and not long ago. I even listened to the Beach Boys and heard " satsang " in the lyrics !

" GOK will prove just as shifty under the right circumstances. "

I don't know if I was/am "shifty". Do we all go through a " shifty" period before our metamorphosis ( from dependent premie to independent person) is completed ?

For the deprogramming process we haven't got hours and hours of videos to park ourselves in front of, and there is no " Un-Knowledge Session " with Solemn declarations and oaths.

It is a big and brave step for premies and "shifties " to start posting on this forum ( except for POV ,who imo is a bit of a masochist ) and if a rottweiler jumps out baring its teeth they may run away.