Re: Pompel/Wim Haan, some quick translations
Re: Pompel/Wim Haan, If there is somebody who knows Dutch then I can send you a copy -- Andries Top of thread Forum
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Haan page 37:
"3. The sequel
When somebody show interest and visits often satsang meetings and also requests more information, then the possibility is offered to visit so called aspirant evenings.

Aspirant evenings are quite similar to satsang evenings. The group is smaller though. In my case 4 to 5 people. The aspirant evenings are more molded according to the needs of the aspirant. People can ask mutual questions. The aspirant poses questions if there is something unclear, though the answers rarely bring more clarity. The mentor of the aspirant poses questions if he wants to know whether the aspirant makes "progress on the spiritual path." "


paragraphs by Haan page 39:
"The intensity with which someone desires Knowledge is seen of utmost importance, including when assessing if somebody is ripe for Knowledge. "As soon as somebody really wants Knowledge, he will receive it", it is said. But this is on the condition that the mind is bypassed. As long as the mind rules supreme there will be always "concepts" that try to take away the desire for Knowledge.

The premie community defines the word "mind" as being conditioned i.e. all influences that make man wander away from his true nature.

Sometimes the battle against this word degenerates in complete irrationality. Every criticism and objective approach is then branded as "mind". If somebody feels bad or did not have good experiences for a long time during meditation, then the person is "in his mind". Discussions with outsiders are often avoided, because this could possibly stimulate the mind"

paragraphs by Haan page 40
"4. The Intitiation and the ascetic life of the premies
If the aspirant has been found fit and found "ripe" for the Knowledge, then a "Knowledge session" is organized, during which the aspirant is initiated in the four meditation techniques. That what happens during these initiation ritual is kept completely secret. The premies promise during the event not to talk with people from outside about the meditation techniques that they were taught.

The reason for the secrecy is probably the conviction that the meditation techniques and the initiation without the intention to live a life a devotion to Maharaj Ji does not make any sense. Apart from that, knowledge of the fact that the techniques are also used by other groups will probably not help to increase the interest in the DLM. The relationship that will be started between the disciple and guru is of central importance. Literally it is said that the meditation without this relationship is of "no value"."

Andries






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