Ya know, it's kind of the the Third Reich in a way, in the sense that given the right situation and an ideology to justify it, otherwise good people will often do rotten things.

There were many wonderful people I knew who were premies and I'm sure there are many wonderful people who still are premies.  I remember meeting Loring Baker, but nothing else (was he related to Willow Baker?) and I don't even recall who David Mosher was, although I recall the name. 

I was never anything more than a kind of middle-manager type in the cult, at IHQ and community coordinator (which was a very lowly position) and who knows how much of an asshole I might have been if given the chance -- I'm glad I wasn't.  I'm really grateful my Initiator application was never approved.  I would have died in one of those "training programs" in Malibu, and then being shunted around the country living out of a suitcase.  The Initiators were mostly examples of misery from what I saw.  Even worse than the ashram premies, with some exceptions.

John Hampton I had a few unpleasant experiences with, but to me he was just more irritating that anything else. He was a true gop, that's for sure. (Isn't that what a male gopi is called?).