Calling someone an idiot or goofball is not at all the way to win an argument. You're absolutely right.  I was just being flippant. But it's not an ad hominem attack either. You should look that phrase up if you intend to keep using it.

But listen, d, if you actually think that "Knowledge" can be experienced without the techniques in Rawat's world, that's amazing.  What a testament to how obscure and vague he's gotten!  No, sorry, you are one million per cent wrong on this and yes there's tons and tons and tons of evidence out of Rawat's own mouth on this score.  You should read the old quotes and satsangs on EPO for a clearer description of what this trip really is.  I'm actually amazed, though, at your profound misunderstanding on something so fundamental to all this stuff.  Of course it's all bullshit as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't change things.  A dragon is still a dragon, not a unicorn.