You remind me of the person that reads the first paragragh of a novel and then passes judgement on it!

If you had continued reading the next paragragh from Mick you would have read > "So I went to a video event, and it was just like he said, failry normal looking people just sitting around watching a video, no one asked for my personal information, and we watched a video. I had always known with proper training meditation could produce euphoric effects and it seemed like that is what it was going to lead to. He made references about those at their last breath etc."

Seems he had a fairly positive outlook and didn't see the 'cultist' trappings he thought he would.

If you recall when you first went to a program of m or k... I am certain you weren't "guileless"!

In fact I recall going to a local event of satsang in Tampa long after I had first heard of m. In fact I was invited to meet him in London in 1972 and my impression was no way Jose! The fat little rich kid from India is gonna show me ...what? When I did finally go to satsang...(2 years later), I was VERY skeptical! But the right words were spoken and more importantly ... I watched "who is guru maharaj ji" and figured hell... if he IS the ONE... I better not miss out!

In fact..isn't the purpose of attending satsang... or listening to the keys ... supposed to 'prepare' you ... remove doubts.... and insure that your motives are true?????

If you are gonna claim that you went to your first event fully open and willing to accept everything about m or k....then I really must take pity on you. In this case you must have been one screwed up individual with no sense of reasoning at all! No wonder then that you have no clue regarding another person's personal reason or motivation.

Is this another example of why 'propogation' can never take off??

On your second point.... that is absolute BS! Firstly it was m that projected the image of himself as the master, the 'lord of the universe', the incarnation of krshna, buddha, jesus etc etc.

Your revisionist theory won't fly ..."mate"! No way no how was any so called student of m's the one that made him! HE MADE HIMSELF and then told US who he was! When Bob Mischler tried to tone down m and his claims... he got sacked! So please don't try to insult me or any of us with your apologia! In fact... it rather illustrates your own rather simplistic, naive and sheep-like tendencies.