No, I am not advocating that we shouldn't discuss any of these people here. I understand all the points you make in 1-5. And, yes, he is fair topic for discussion. It was just getting a bit personal, and I couldn't help defending him!! It was meant in a light hearted fashion too. I agree with many points that Joe and Thorin made, and I did say that I didn't want to get involved with discussing them. I just don't have the time right now.

Glen won't post here because M has told all premies not to read F8. Any premies reading here, who are not doing "service" as a monitor, would have to keep quiet about it, and certainly would not be able to go public. Monitors never post, just read and report back to HQ.

Another thing is that if you try to question M's behaviour with premies, you end up having loads "satsang" shoved down your throat - and that's no fun any more believe me! The last time I really pushed out the boat with a premie, (not Glen btw), I had to endure about an hour's worth of him comparing M to Krishna, and what Arjuna did and didn't do etc. and how it's all a huge test, blah blah blah. No, it's not worth it if you have to listen to all that crap!

It is amazing that premies can still think like that, and that M can get away with anything, because in the premies' minds it's some kind test of their devotion. They still think in that 70's way. I was just trying to remind everyone that when you're in a cult, you do weird things. That we were like that once too, but that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. That's all.

All the best to you John