The cult operates on a "need to know" basis. Therefore even people working for EV in 'high up' positions, will be denied information - even right at the point of really "needing to know". This means that they will mis-manage situations, (if the chain of command is mis-managed, it will follow through). Then they have to clear up the mess afterwards, when the truth finally does come out. (And EV hangs its head in shame? I think not!) I am specifically refering to Jagdeo here. To ask someone to do a PR job, without arming them with the truth and all the facts, is apparently the EV style of (mis)management. This is right from "the top" lies being fed to all the Arjunas. Again, the premies get the blame, not M. I think that can be unfair!

I think that all the points you make are completely reasonable, with the information that you have. I also want to point out that we exes can jump to wrong conculusions too, when we don't know the whole story. I'm not making excuses, and I hope I don't sound like a premie either! Just putting across another view point.

I'm quite surprised at myself here, defending premies, but sometimes I think there is a case for it. Having said that, sometimes there isn't, and I have had a few moans and rants myself here too. But I think they have usually been directed more at M.

The monitor story made me laugh! I remember a premie saying to me once, years ago before I was an ex, "you have to be really strong to be a monitor"..... Speaks for itself really. The Arjuna mentality.

Btw, I love reading your posts, and I think you're a great contributor to F8.