Is Jonx's 'Belief System' credible?
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paddy ®

04/11/2005, 22:37:49
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Anyone who has seen a few of Jonx's groups of posts knows that Jonx is not credible. I am not one of those people like Jim Heller determined enough to try to debate with the sneaky weasel but I have seen enough exmie attempts to do that to know it is pretty useless as Jonx, like the Wiki premies, seems to be able to go on and on into a boring, enervating morass of duplicity and evasion.

In most of his posts there is a core of continuity: Jonx is a person of great intelligence, talent and sophistication with a wide range of rich and powerful friends who has realised the Knowledge to the extent of having left behind all Divine Light Mission, Elan Vital and even Prem Rawat Foundation conceptual baggage and while not practicing Knowledge as much as he should (shades of his young clone, IanF) because he's a bit of a lad, he really still has an experience simpler and steadier and more profound than ever. At times he is quite dismissive of those premies who haven't left those concepts behind and while agreeing (to a point) that Rawat (or Great King as he calls him) is a flawed human being he never fails to give credit to His “painstaking efforts” to free all the premies from those outmoded 1970's concepts.

Those outmoded 1970's concepts/beliefs are usually spoken of in a dismissive, arrogant manner though in his last post he has provided a new concept about the importance of the concepts and the need to transcend them to experience the real Knowledge. Actually this seems the smartest idea EV cult apologists have come up with so far but even with this crowning idea the premie revisionist ideas are still nowhere near as reasonable, coherent and intellectually respectable as the 1970's simplistic Vedanta system they have replaced. And exactly what were all these “beliefs” that Rawat has been constantly challenging? They're all still there in the training transcripts.

Is Jonx believable? It's a big world with lots of strange people and anything is possible but the odds are that Jonx is a Rawatist true believer who poses as someone “beyond” those concepts so that he can regularly post his propaganda on ex-premie forum. This is not done to try and convince regular posters of the errors of their ways, after all, we've all seen and heard much more “impressive” premies in the past even if they turned out to have feet of Joan but to try and influence those waverers who might be taking their first peeks into the Forum. They might be influenced by the idea that after all there are premies who have gone beyond EV concepts, see “Maharaji” as a flawed human being and are experiencing more and more anyway. Maybe they'd better get away from the Internet and back under the blanket.

As jonx tells us, he's not as regular a meditator as he should be and certainly if you listen to Rawat's speeches it seems as though pretty well all the premies are in the same boat. Why else would he continue to reiterate how important it is to meditate if everyone was doing it and certainly who would have thought that people could meditate for 30 years with so little to show for it? I suppose that as most people who have tried it for even a short while have left Rawat then the meditation may have some value in helping people to come to an understanding of exactly what Rawat is and maybe most of the long term true believers are those people who haven't meditated enough to see the light yet.

Anyway, how about giving Jonx the opportunity to catch up on some of that simple experience by removing him from this Forum for his own good.






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