Lars,

If I came on a bit strong, you have my apology for that, especially since I know you not (yet).  This lying nonsense (in those clips) really lit my fire, so to speak.  If you read any of my other posts laying here and there, you probably know that.  I certainly wasn't trying to brow-beat you, that's for sure

I hear you and did take it in, thus my comment about your heart leading your head for the moment.  It sounds flippant, but it wasn't really meant to be so.   Disagreement makes us human, so no problem there.

By the way, if you were a PAM (and I honestly don't know if you ever were), I forgive you, too (for what that is worth).  Those PAM's who have broken the chain and come out to tell the truth, like Bob and Mike Finch, for example, have got my utmost respect. They may have been enablers, but when they saw what was really happening, realized they couldn't fix it (no matter how hard they tried) and came out with the truth of the matter for all to see, THAT forgave everything (imho!).  Not that they really need my personal forgiveness....... I made my mistakes, too, for which I have apologized to old friends, family (especially) and others over time.  Still, an active PAM is a knowing enabler.  I can't, for a single second, believe that a longtime PAM, like Joan, can't or doesn't realize the reality of this situation.  30 years worth of this nonsense and she is supposed to be "innocent?"  I guess that is where I have a hard time with all of this.

What thinks you?  I know what you think of the pix, I wonder what you think of the topic.