You empathize with cult leaders more than their victims...
Re: Re: I think it is because I am realistic about human nature -- Andries Top of thread Forum
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Cynthia ®

04/02/2005, 12:52:37
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Andries,

I guess I am what others would consider cynical about human nature. I would call it realistic. I think that men are prone to abuse the power for sex and money if they can get away with it.

Andries, most men are not "prone to abuse the power for sex and money if they can get away with it.  It's unfortunate to hear that is your view of the world and it's a generalization about men that's wrong and untrue. Maybe that's your experience in life, but if it is, that still doesn't make your generalization correct.  It's not realistic at all because most men in the world are good people, just like most women in the world are good people.  It may be true that most cult leaders abuse their power for sex and money, but that's just not true for most men in the world, even wealthy ones. 

Andries, the reason I know I'm right and you're wrong is because there was a time, when I was going through a lot of therapy and recovery, not from cult issues, but from my own child abuse.  During some of that time I thought all men were bad and abusive and untrustworthy. That's a thinking distortion called globalized thinking or thinking in absolutes.  As time went on, and I worked things out for myself, I came to understand how wrong my point of view had been.  Most men are just such good people and learning to trust again has been wonderful because I don't live my life in constant suspicion that someone is out to hurt me.  I just couldn't live out my life feeling that way and I'm so glad I reframed my thinking so it wasn't so distorted anymore.

Also, Andries, you're really in no position to judge, one way or another if Rawat has a personality disorder. No scholar is either.  Neither one of us is a psychologist and because of that, we're both speculating about it. The difference though, Andries, is that I did spend a whole year working for Rawat, up close and personal, so I do have those observations by which to make my speculations, along with my long involvement in the cult.  I also state here that these are my speculations only, even though Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) does fit quite well into Rawat's personality profile, and in years past this has been discussed at length here, even by those who have knew him much better than I ever did. 

And I think that former followers who have been harmed and betrayed by him are likely to see him as more evil than he really is. That is just natural.

That sounds like a paraphrase of one of your favorite sociologist cult apologist  scholars, like Introvigne, Melton, or Barker. It's not human nature for people who have been harmed and betrayed to see their cult leader as "more evil than he really is" (evil is your word, not mine).   What happens, Andries, which is a perfectly natural reaction for anyone to have, is that when someone becomes a victim of an abusive person (including a cult leader), a person may at some point become angry and express their anger about it.  That doesn't mean they are embellishing their pain and anger, either.  Just because anger is a negative emotion doesn't mean is isn't warranted.  But, I've concluded that you just don't care about anything I have to say about this, because you continuously apologize and empathize with cult leaders in your posts here, as if they need or deserve anyone's empathy. 

Oh, and I am certain that more men would be tempted in Rawat's situation to abuse their power to obtain sex and money, not just me.

Again, you must speak for yourself, only.  I don't empathize with any cult leaders, and I don't view men in the negative way that you do.  I also don't know of any ex-premie men that I can remember who ever have expressed your point of view.  It's just not fair to characterize all men the way you have, because as I said, it's too easy to generalize about it.

So, it's quite surprising to me that you are so much more able to empathize with cult leaders than you are able to empathize with their victims.  You might want to consider examining that quality in yourself.







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