or can relate to one? 

Gimme a break! That is, by far, the stupidest thing I have ever heard.  You have to work pretty hard to say anything more innane than premies and M, but Andries you have succeeded...... in spades!

Your NPOV (or attempts at same) is just an excuse for not utilizing your moral compass, Andries!  It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out, my friend..... it just takes honesty!

In fact, I have to ask: Are you a premie troll?  Your sneaky attempts to whitewash some heinous behaviors is really borderline on being a true cult apologist.  Questioning is one thing, but the things you try to whitewash are just inexcusable.