Well thank you. The few websites I found, via Google search, led me to the Ex-premie site which has a great format and seems to just show the facts. Especially the articles from the 70's and most importantly, I believe, the Journey section. This site here, forum eight, I read for a few weeks before posting. I noticed the same core of people and went back to the other site to find their Journeys and they were there. It just lent credibility to what I have found and to this discussion board. It seems very rational, unlike many forums and bboards. Glad I am able to unload with some rational like minds. I do not intend to be around for long though, time to move forward to the next hurdle or sand trap, whichever comes first.