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Paddy, It's interesting that Jim says I'm cynical because that's how I see him in contrast to myself who anyone who knows me knows that I am an overly optimistic pollyanna. The problem I have with much of the criticism of premies that people replying to this thread have made is that they use concepts, like yourself, such as how can premies "truly" enjoy and appreciate or that living "happily" based on "lies" is a different happiness based on beng an ex-premie. Jim goes so far as to compare them to victims of Dracula.
I'm not sure what you want people to say to you but it seems you only want to be comforted or reassured about the premies that you know. You want to come across as an expert on what premies feel and how premies are doing ("doing very well," in your opinion and estimation) and that it's perfectly okay for them to remain stuck in a destructive cult. I don't understand your logic at all, especially because you admit to being an "overly optimistic pollyanna," at the same time admitting that Rawat runs a cult. Being a "polyanna" might not be such a good thing if you have cult members in your orbit, and perhaps you might consider acquiring more skepticism in your thinking about all of this. After all, it's a "pollyanna" mentality that often gets people caught up with and stuck in personality cults (by having too receptive a personality). I get the feeling from your posts that you want ex-premies who post on this forum to tell you that its totally acceptable that the premies you are close to remain stuck in Rawat's cult. You're not going to get me to say that, just to make you feel better, Paddy. With due respect, there's no way in hell I'm going to agree with you that anyone who remains a premie is better off than leaving. I've seen too much evidence over the years by ex-premies of the opposite to agree with you on that.
As I tried to explain to you in my post, happiness that is based upon lies is not real happiness. There is simply too much posturing and positioning that has to take place between people when one knows about the lies and the other doesn't (or won't see or admit to them). It's awkward, uncomfortable, a very strange feeling. Finding happiness outside of the confines of a mind-destroying cult is clearly different than ignorant bliss. There's no pussy-footing going on say, between an ex-premie and a practicing premie. No silent agreements to not discuss "certain things."
Ignorance isn't bliss, and actually, bliss isn't real happiness either. I would have thought you'd agree with that, but you seem to only want to be comforted about something, not told the truth by those of us who have lived on both sides of the cult fence. I'm sorry, but I won't provide you with the comfort you seem to want, if what you want is to have me say that it's okay for premies to say entrenched in that cult, so I suppose I can't help you you out there.
Be well,
Cynthia
Modified by Cynthia at Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 07:12:58
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