Thanks. At least he's starting a dialogue, even though he's not saying things to persuade anyone in a positive way. He'd never let me in his mansion. Where do you think he would meet for the forum? You sure you have the right spelling for his name? Oh yes, and M, if you're reading this, no offense. Just trying to get dialogue, and like Rodney King, just say, "can't we all just get along?". I do not have any 20's to spare though.