"One of the things that I've tried to do in various writings, as you know, is develop a kind of matrix of various types of altered states. This matrix has two major components. There are levels or stages of consciousness, and there are also altered states of consciousness. And you may experience a gross, subtle, causal, or nondual state of consciousness, but it will inevitably be interpreted through whatever stage of development you're at. So developmentally, you can be at the traditionalist level, or the modernist level, or the postmodernist level, or the integral level, and you can have a subtle or even nondual experience, but you're going to interpret it through whatever apparatus you have. So if, developmentally, you're at the green meme, you can have a very profound satori, but you're going to interpret it in pluralistic, flatland terms."