If I was still a premie then the negative propaganda against former premies would appall me, (as it does now).  I'm sure that many current premies are also appalled by the negative propaganda against well known ex-premies such as Mike Finch, Micheal Dettmers and Mike Donner.  Such negative propaganda clearly illustrates that Elan Vital is not a reasonable organisation and I think their latest accusations and labeling of ex-premies as a "hate group" are indicative of how Elan Vital has lost the plot.

Ha, is that anything new?