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Hi everybody--
Yes, Janice Wilson's post got deleted and along with it most if not all of Hans comments. I'm trying to rebuild it and have some of Hans comments.
If anyone copied any of the comments, please share them with me and I will reconstruct the entire chain.
Thanks much. Also, my page is now viewable by the public. And, if I have missed anyone's friend request on FB, please let me know.
There's much more to come on this.
Don
Modified by Dojo at Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 10:55:55
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Hi Don,
If by any chance you didn't see them, please see ***quotes from Hans Rawat*** below.
The comments under the deleted comment on your Facebook post were extraordinary and extroardinarily revealing about the entrenched mindset of certain followers.
So what. Even Jesus had a dark side... he got angry and flipped tables.
Bob
Modified by lakeshore at Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 11:51:56
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Bob, Thank you. I just retrieved those. I've almost got them all now. Stay tuned. All hell is going to break loose. -
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)
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Don, I happen to have copied five of Hans' comments in question.
I have tried to upload three of them here, but even though the are small jpg's, this forum's not allowing them to upload here. So I am providing a link with this post to a dropbox where I put them.
They can't stay in there for long, though, so if someone else is able to upload them to this forum, that will be great.
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Well, I pasted in the URL for the dropbox where they are in the "Link URL" field, but it didn't show up in my post. Maybe I can get away with pasting that link in here?
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/sw7jge9h970b8th1v2y45/h?rlkey=6plfsqvx1urv5uhu6j3tb06co&dl=0
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I've downloaded the files containing images of Han's comments.
This forum is excellent, and obviously much better than FB as a reliable medium for placing content. Threads don't get deleted. But it's a pain placing images here.
So, what to do? Do the dance to post the images? It might be quicker to transcribe them. Would they lose some of their credibility by being transcribed? Might be better to leave it to Don to put back in order?
But then, does Hans want his words up on the forum? They wouldn't get lost. Because if he does want his words here, I have to wonder why he doesn't put them here himself. Is there some legal constraint that doesn't allow him to post here, but allows him to comment so freely in a FB thread? Or is he facing the same reluctance to post here that so many of us did, and he's willing to drop comments on volatile FB pages, but less willing to make his claims a matter of record?
This is no criticism of Hans. I have mentioned before the difficulties some of us had posting here initially, and some had to face pretty tough blowback, including threats, doxxing and ridicule. Much harder for him, with the family connections, the lost inheritance, the possibility of repercussions (I have no idea what) and the seriousness of his accusations. I respect his courage.
But with him having gone so far, I have to wonder why he isn't taking this next step. Any clues?
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Those are good points. You are right to say it is his choice to post here.
I would suggest you just send the files to Don and he can post them back in the thread where they were originally intended.
There are all kinds of reasons why someone might be willing to post on FB and not here, so let's just leave it at that. I can imagine why he might not want to post here.
At the same time, if someone posts on FB and someone else takes a screenshot and posts somewhere else, well that is just how the internet world works and people are or should be aware of that.
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I downloaded the files and can post them either directly as images or as text without manually transcribing. Not sure what to do then? Post or not to post?
I have to say what Hans wrote is really articulate and even brilliant. I love this excerpt:
"Its funny how God always seems to show up on earth without enough money and needs to extract it from people who have been convinced that he or she actually is God."
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I wasn't going to transcribe manually, tap,tap,tap.
Use the image as input to a Google search is easier.
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I could just literally copy and paste the text from my Mac Preview program. I didn't realise it was that easy. But your way makes sense too. So now just waiting for a moral sanction.
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If only we had a moral guide we could turn to, preferably an infallible one.
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well said, one of the great things about cults is there is someone to tell you what is right or what is wrong. Or, that right and wrong are just concepts. Don't believe your mind. Believe your "heart". And you are going to die anyway... the past isn't real... the future isn't real... only now. Much easier than the pesky reality of respecting the rights of your fellow humans.
Guidelines I think about. Sexual assault victims are in charge of telling their own story when and if they choose to. Parents have rights and a duty to protect their own minor children. Naming rank and file premies isn't the point, it's what they say and do, not who they are. That a family member speaking out faces things that we do not. That any of us speaking out face some level of risk. I would say that erring on the side of validating that Hans and/or Shana want something posted is respectful. Hans and Shana are adults, with agency, and remember to consider yourself at 35 or 45 and interact with them in a non parental way. That he was our spiritual baby brother was fed to us and could be at work in the cobwebs of our subconcious. While he was the baby and boy we knew on the stage, in the magazines etc, it is more akin to how one feels they "know" a celebrity child and was staged to evoke certain emotions and impressions. They have agency over their own lives.
Modified by Susan at Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 12:54:01
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Thanks. I'll take that as validating the hesitancy, and leave it at that.
I wasn't into the kids aspect of the cult. Struggled with the guru thing really - was more searching for the enlightenment thing. The guru apparently being the route. Though it never quite made sense, since when I meditated, it was just me in there.
Anyway, just different flavours of delusion.
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Yes, I am sure I might have been a little unusual, the age I was 13-17 exactly when the kids were being born and plastered all over everything.
I think the hesitancy is for a reason, if I feel hesitancy I do tend to listen to it and think a little more before I make a decision. But my list is just really my list of things that I think about when I am considering things, certainly not any secret message in there, but validation that I too think about it yes. I make mistakes, but those are some things I think about I thought I would share, as I find the ideas helpful. Glad the kids isn't something with as many cobwebs as I have!
Susan
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I have had success in getting jpg images to load by putting the 'e' into the file name - ie jpeg.
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