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Steve ®

02/09/2024, 11:38:21
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https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/clinical-update-cults








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02/09/2024, 16:06:34
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Interesting as I have looked a little at seating capacity events in past few years.

In US in 1970s wasnt it 10,000 to 20,000 at the festivals? Now it looks like 1,000 to 2,000 capacity at the venues. A lot you can’t really tell but it’s the numbers I see. Interesting how it correlates to what you posted.

This seems to not be true of non English speaking countries. The photos of the crowds are pretty damn big looking never mind the recent India guiness book event.








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02/09/2024, 16:29:35
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I do know that well over 100,000 people were initiated, the majority of them in the 1970's...regular programs would be about 10,000 maximum, except Kissimmee, which might be up to double that, I seem to remember.
I think in the last 20 years he's pulling in a few thousand at the most for most of his events. I think India is on it's own track, where it's part of their culture, to even have a few different gurus and go to their festivals, kind of like Americans go to football games...I can't imagine 
Europe being too different than the US.....Amaroo-what a waste of resources, especially with the new train possibly coming by...

I always wondered why rawat didn't do zoom calls from his living room with the premies and avoid all the hassles of traveling....until I saw one, and saw how depressed he was when he wasn't on stage....then I realized how much he needs the "perfect master" routine on stage to make it all work...






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02/09/2024, 18:37:30
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I think that he may indeed need the in-person adoration i in a non-financial way. 

But you also have to wonder how it fits in the the costs of the foundation spreading peace all over the world.

I have to be clear, I don't know how it all works. I do not have special insider info on that. I have seen this list of homes, and wondered, how one could possibly pay the expenses for all these houses. I wonder if the premies who take care of these homes are paid. Is it free labor?  You have to wonder if the houses could fit into travel expenses of the speaker. There probably is a lot about the travel of spreading peace and what could be potential under the cost of traveling to spread peace. Free labor is an issue too. We know there was a ton of free labor DECA and building Malibu compound (bought when land was cheap)
but are all the people who serve him paid now? Maybe they are I do not know the answer to that. 

List of residences on Prem Bio- 

https://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/malibu/rezes.html

Link to list of travel on his own site over past years

https://www.wopg.org/past-events/






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02/10/2024, 18:35:38
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What is it with the premie freakout over a train line. If those trains weren't hauling that coal down to ports to go to China then those giant container ships bringing those wonderful electric cars and Apple iGoodies and alternative technology and air-conditioners, glamping pents and plumbing and amplifiers so they could hear M. would stop coming






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02/18/2024, 04:19:34
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I don't think Ivory's Rock deserved whoever it was who called it Ivory's Rock.  It sure didn't deserve the stinky guru and I am just sad at the thought that a freight train will go zooming past every 8 minutes.  There's something special about that spot.  It feels like a desecration of the feeling of the country. 






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I think it's closer to 100%, eventually...(nt)
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02/10/2024, 09:41:23
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so do I
Re: I think it's closer to 100%, eventually...(nt) -- 13 Top of thread Post Reply Forum
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02/10/2024, 11:14:57
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Say out of sheer doggedness you manage to stay a premie through old age, what about those last few minutes.






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This should be normal...
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02/11/2024, 06:09:22
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...because whatever we do in our lives, we do it according to our present stage of inner development. Leaving a cult means: one has grown (outgrown) whatever the reason for entering it might have been. There was something to learn (or to just understand), and as soon as the learning or understanding is done, there is no reason to stay in any longer.

Depending on the degree of indoctrination (brainwashing) we absorbed during the time in the cult, leaving will come as naturally as anything else which we have outgrown in our lives.

So here is the point which can make things difficult for one person and easy for another.

It's like in health/sickness: some are affected more, others less. And depending on how much affected one was (or still is) or, how strong the personal immunity level, determines the remedies one has to take/use in order to leave and not even look back.





As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. Albert Einstein
Avoiding a problem does not make it go away, avoiding feeling does not make it go away either. (me)


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