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Time and time again, people who speak out against Prem Rawat and his cult of personality are reminded to be afraid. That he and those working on his behalf have been bad actors in the past.
Since usually those being warned are those most aware of the dangers of speaking out; what is the motive behind of these warnings? Is it really concern that the person speaking out isn’t sufficiently fearful?
Do the people “just reminding you to be careful” “won’t take it lying down” be afraid genuinely believe the person speaking out isn’t scared?
I would like to see a discussion of the motives behind these reminders.
I would also like to see a discussion of how telling it is that both premies and former premies are so apt to say “be afraid; be very afraid” - it says a lot about not just the core beliefs of ex followers, but current followers too.
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I remember when I made my first post here - straight after pressing post I went for a walk - wow I was scared, and I could not sit still.
Back then while I was exiting I wasn't really thinking of the consequences beyond myself - it's a shock isn't it. It was a vulnerable time as the person who I thought was the Lord of the Universe turned out to be a greedy businessman. Turns your world upside down doesn't it, and for a while cleansing your soul is what matters most.
I tend to think of the fear I experienced as one of those things - like sunshine makes shadows, living a lie creates a fear of disclosure - it builds up subconsciously, and it packs a punch when it flies.
Motives are another thing of course.
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"He also told Maharaji that, of all the groups he had facilitated, he had never experienced as much fear as was exhibited by our group"
https://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/premies/dettmers/dettmers19.html
The first time I posted I remember the fear too.
I also remember being terrified after I "came out" by name about Jagdeo. Every time a car drove by my window, my door, for the possible risk to my then minor children. I have known and know fear. I am not over that fear still.
People don't forget Pat Halley, Fakirananad, Bob Mishler, CAC attacks.
I also reread this archived post from 2001
"the warning at the end of this post to NOT post it on FV. A Post by Rachel Cunningham on Lifes (sick) Great: A guy called Richard said this (and a lot more, in a calm, clear, polite manner) to the FV's favorite victim, the woman who seeks not a cure for her ills but vengence. - Naturally he was lynched by the rabid dogs for saying.... 'Your attempt to demonize Maharaji has the collateral effect of funneling hate to all premies. Posts like ____ have that effect by pushing emotion-charged buttons in people such as “child abuse”, that they lose perspective and react strictly out of emotion. Incidences of child abuse by an Elan Vital representative were so rare that to harp on it like you guys do completely skews the reality of Maharaji and the people who have served him over the years, some of whom are the most genuine people I’ve ever met. If you really don’t like hate then why don’t you do your part to diffuse it instead of formenting it.' --- Want to see an emotionally charged button? The following is emotional manipulation at a truly vulgar level and is what Richard and many others find so ugly about this 'child abuse' crusade. --- 'We don't know how many children Jagdeo abused or what has become of them — doubly warped by being brainwashed, we can only imagine the worse._____________________.' --- Straight off a National Enquirer cover? Unfortunately not, but FV can be very similar. The exes keep crowing about this woman's 'courage'. It takes a lot more courage to say - THAT is not honesty, THAT is not truth, That is NOT someone seeking justice. It is emotional manipulation and it Stands Out A Mile. And they wonder why Maharaji doesn't arrive on her doorstep with chocolates and roses?
--- This post is not intended to insult or enrage the woman in question. We all sympathise with her (them) and yes, the offender will be held accountable. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes, to uncover not cover up. Patience will pay. ----- WARNING: This post is an attempt to clarify the nature of the ex.premie stance on the subject FOR PREMIES VISITING THIS SITE. If any ferreting ex wants to try and play the big hero by grabbing it and running back to ex.org shouting 'look at this!!' then you must WEAR THE CONSEQUENCES UPON YOUR OWN HEAD. There are unwell and unbalanced people on FV who should NOT be privy to information and opinion such as this. Enough said? I will respect this forum administrator's decision if he deems it necessary to remove this post due to the possible irresponsible behaviour of some people."
(This promised open results of the Jagdeo investigation never materialized. Did they really uncover not cover up? We know they didn't) Definition of DARVODARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation. Institutional DARVO occurs when the DARVO is committed by an institution (or with institutional complicity) as when police charge rape victims with lying. Institutional DARVO is a pernicious form of institutional betrayal. No victim of this cult needs to be told to be afraid. We know. We were there.
Modified by Susan at Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 19:18:43
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Hate the Darvo - happens all the time doesn't it.
I felt a real need to speak up and say Rawat is a fraudster clearly enough that any premie who wanted to could hear it - and that was possible because of the people here. It was, well I guess it felt like my path of redemption from being a premie.
I continue to feel that the best part of being in that cult has been meeting the ex-premies on leaving it. I am very small potatoes as far as the cult is concerned and my well-being was never threatened by speaking out. It has all been about the people here for me.
The whole world is pretty scary isn't it - I'm always happy to see a friendly face and I am grateful to live in a nice place with a garden and no mental pressure being applied to live in a house of lies.
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Hi Lesley,
You really struck a chord.
"I felt a real need to speak up and say Rawat is a fraudster clearly enough that any premie who wanted to could hear it - and that was possible because of the people here."
I feel the same way with a twist. It was the people here who inspired me and gave me the courage to add my voice to theirs.
"it felt like my path of redemption from being a premie"
Thank you! That's it and it really touches me. Ever since I left the cult, I've felt a need to redeem myself, almost like asking humanity to forgive me for turning my back on it and accept me back into the fold. And because I strayed so far, I had that much more to make-up for. Taking my cues from Prem Rawat (listening to his actual words) I wrote the entire world off as lost and in the dark to the extent that the only safe place was "on his boat."
Everyday people living responsibly, going to school, working hard, raising children and going about their lives as best they could with genuine dignity. Then Prem Rawat comes along and disparages trashes everything about it. Seriously, what didn't he disparage? (Not other peoples' money, that's for sure.)
I still feel that need for redemption. It was a deep hole to dig out of.
"It has all been about the people here for me."
And you're one of them.
Modified by lakeshore at Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 17:28:05
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Folks..my final close out with the cult was a slow drip of dissonance, which then was blessedly boosted with the recognition of reason and oxygen which I found (then on) EPO - hearing reason, and articulate voices unwinding the cords that bound us... Thank you (y'all) Premies were for me much of the glue to the cult attraction - And now the same attraction applies with the resonance of all you truth seeking people. much obliged.
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thanks Lakeshore and Rod. This group has meant so much to me.
It was a deep hole to dig out of wasn't it. I didn't have the same level of opportunities to compromise myself in service as you suffered, Bob but there is no way to avoid the issue that I became a complete prat - something I didn't discover until I left.
Well actually I do remember one of the last events I went to and I was back home, gone to town and went into the vegetable shop where a very nice family worked and I had taught their children swimming and, you know, these are people I am still grateful I met - as I went in I was thinking about how I should try and hold onto the special feeling of being with Maharaji and I didn't even have to say anything, nor did she, she just gave me a look - I was so up myself.
It was a real wake up call and started me thinking, one of those drips that start pouring in when you get to 40s.
So it was like the first part of the path to redemption was relatively simple - talking to my friends and speaking up here, just living and recovering a bit was enough. But then it was facing up to the underside of premiedom, the consequences, all the thoughts I didn't have.
And you know I have kinda faced up to all of that but I do think maybe the path of redemption continues. 
Modified by lesley at Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 16:32:08
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The older I get the people I most value are the people I don't have to pretend with.
Thank you all.
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For me, this forum has been a constant source of wit, wisdom, laughter and so much more ever since the first day I found it. Always something new that reminds me of the innate goodness in all the people who got swept-up in this cult. It's a constant reminder of just how far I fell and how much I sold out.
For example:
Your post caused me to remember what it was like to try to cling to "that feeling" right after seeing Maharaji (not that he was the source of it). It's much like those times when I was so up myself that I thought I could show how enlightened I was by, you know... glowing or something. (Somehow I suspect that we've all been there.  )
Imagining the look she gave you when you walked into her shop made me laugh. (And it still does! )
See how self-effulgent I am? What do you think of my new aura? Did I comb it properly?
Glowing lit candles for sure. So many people up (or full of) themselves that there ought to be a laxative for that sort of thing. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Sometimes I have to look-up words or phrases you use that I never heard before. This time, I actually googled "australian for so up yourself." Snobby!! See for yourself:
https://www.homestaynetwork.org/2019/05/09/ahn-aussie-slang-dictionary/
Thanks again Lesley.
Modified by lakeshore at Sun, Dec 10, 2023, 08:34:40
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It makes a glow worm look respectable doesn't it.
That was a handy list, tho some of it isn't unique to Australia, spag bol I remember from English childhood, and I don't think dunny made the list which it really really should. still got the basic feel of it really well - Christmas to Chrissie just about covers it.
I have been doing Phrazle with my morning coffee, omg it's in American. eye candy I had heard of but arm candy? It took me to the last go to work out that one. but once you see it, well of course it makes sense doesn't it.
It's so good to be able to laugh about the contortions we put ourselves through trying to be premies - definitely balm for the memory.
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"It's so good to be able to laugh about the contortions we put ourselves through trying to be premies."
Any good comedian could have a field day with it! One example of a physical (versus mental) contortion I can think of was during the brief remember Holy Name (before the switch to 3rd technique) 24/7 phase, which caused many premies to also curl their tongues back for Divine Nectar (before the switch to 4th technique).
That was also during the get your tongue back behind your uvula phase made popular by mahatmas. (Who could argue with them!) After a week of stretching, using my finger and a tiny tear in my lingual frenulum, I succeeded and proceeded to walk around with my tongue back there for long periods of time, even in public.
I can't imagine the goofy look that must've been all over my face and pouring out my eyes.
Talk about being up yourself!!
Modified by lakeshore at Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 07:20:17
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Good description of the fear built in. I don't know what I thought might happen when I posted here first. It was both daunting and cathartic.
But also it marked the end of prevarication. It was the resolution of long standing cognitive dissonance. I was calling bullshit on something I had considered previous and fundamental.
And then the people! I had concerned people phone me up to check I was ok the first time I deliberately chose not to go to an event. What to say? You've travelled so far again, you go ahead and enjoy being conned?
So there was a fear of being seen as a betrayer I guess, but I never felt any threat besides what I had in my own head. I arrived at the forum towards the end of all that really nasty stuff that went on.
Susan - are you still getting warnings?
One brother who I was very close to hasn't spoken to me for 10-15 years now. He's still very much a premie. He won't answer the phone. It's a shame. My wife used to say she always knew when it was him I was talking to on the phone by the extent of the giddy laughter. Now, crickets (I like that little expression). I suspect I'm a deluded traitor or something, but it's hard to interpret silence.
Modified by 13 at Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 00:03:33
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warnings-- I haven't had one myself in a while. More feeling protective of others.
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Yes, there were some powerful accusations from a couple of people in the know. I do hope they stay safe.
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"Crickets" from your own brother reminds me of when Flying Solo and I both left at the same time. I'd become increasingly alienated from premies in our community essentially because their approach to things made no sense to me. Since I could no longer do what I was doing with any enthusiasm, my only option was to step back, which only led to further alienation. That's when I took my first peek at EPO and dove into the archives.
Flying Solo and I were both deeply involved in our community for decades, so when we both left abruptly (shocking revelations from EPO and the forum), I'm sure it was a bit of a shock. Long story short, not one phone call from people we called friends and socialized with for thirty years to see if we were okay. Just an abrupt end to what were beautiful relationships.
Perhaps the only thing worse than having to recover from the personal harm and derailment is the ongoing damage done to countless close relationships based on something as stupid as "is he or isn't he?" Simply put, premie/non-premie doesn't mix well in close relationships, especially with heavily devoted premies. It seems the only way to get along is to ignore the elephant in the room and not talk about it, which is no way to bring about any genuine peace.*
I hope the day comes when you and your brother can look back and laugh about it - or anything - together again.
* That's just one example of when - for a premie - Knowledge becomes a healing balm to ease pain caused by Prem Rawat and his Knowledge.
Modified by lakeshore at Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 07:39:35
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wow, I managed three years of not talking with my brother.
Then I took up playing bridge so we talked about that a bit and it went from there (well my nephews might have had something to do with getting us talking again). Years later and I finally felt our relationship reconstitute the other week after he and his wife visited for a couple of days. He found the clay possum he'd made as a school boy that I'd put in the garden beside where I'd put our mum's ashes, not that he hadn't seen it before but this time it affected him and he spent hours and hours in the garden in this very contented engrossed state building a roof of chicken netting for the chicken enclosure to keep the scrub turkey out and something opened up in me. It was such a nice feeling as we had always been close growing up too.
I'm glad it happened but it's not like we live in a vacuum is it.
Still, it's very nice that it did, hope it happens for you and your brother. It is hurtful that he does not talk to you when you're so close. Crickets is a good phrase.
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"living a lie creates a fear of disclosure - it builds up subconsciously, and it packs a punch when it flies"
Beautiful!
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Hi Susan,
I can't even begin to answer your questions. All I can do is paint snarky caricatures of the types of people in that cult who've lashed out at critics and speculate about their motives. First, please know that my heart goes out to the vast majority of Prem Rawat's followers who conduct themselves honorably and sincerely believe they're on the right path. It's highly unlikely that any of them would ever threaten anyone.
As for the small percentage that have or would threaten critics, I've divided them into three categories. In each case, their motives are at least partially rooted in their fear of losing something they're fully invested in and their need to protect it. And they feel empowered and justified in doing so by their "knowing."
- The naive sincere premie who reflexively attempts to protect their master and the general public (people who need Knowledge) from those crazy lying critics whose only motivation is to maliciously discredit their master and ruin it for everyone. They're compelled to attack threats to their only reality and identity that they've built-up and invested in throughout their adult lifetime. Defending their reality is a "service" that will surely please their master and earn them brownie points.
- The fully self-realized, enlightened and transcendent devotee who's completely aware of the full scope of Prem Rawat's deeply flawed character and misdeeds and doesn't care. They've taken their cues from their master. Self-assured, smug and secure in their master's unassailable truth, power and authority, their actions are no longer bound by antiquated moral values. Their "ends justify the means" mentality transcends right and wrong. They threaten and attack. That's just what they do. It's like an entitlement or a sport or something. Their "knowing" is absolute and superior. If something doesn't fit, it must be and deserves to be attacked and they seem to derive some sort of perverse pleasure in doing so. They're on a mission their mission is their motivation.
- The fully complicit enabler who knows full well that Prem Rawat is a fraud and yet continues to promote him anyway. Even worse, they continue to exploit and take advantage of sincere, innocent premies for their own self-interested reasons, e.g., livelihood, financial, social status, etc. They have no parachute and no other life to fall back on. They don't threaten or attack. They hire the transcendents to do it for them. They're slick, heavily cloaked and they don't want to draw attention to themselves. They're the worst of the lot.
These may be caricatures, but except for the hidden complicit enablers, I crossed paths with too many of the other types, which is in part why I'm here. Sorry I couldn't come-up with any serious answers to your questions.
Modified by lakeshore at Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 17:33:24
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Those three categories are described perfectly. In my post above I think Rachel was the secord and Richard2 the third.
Susan (who I guess isn't always appearing sufficiently afraid and needs reminding )
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Hi to all you good warriors- Lakeshore, I also think you captured the 3 categories perfectly.
What's the motive behind the "be very careful" message: Intention is always impossible to accurately nail down, but my take is it's a power trip. Someone, who thinks they know something, wants to instill fear in someone else because they feel superior, or "in the know." It's plain and simple intimidation.
After a few of my articles came out, I got a private message from the good doctor, that would be, John Horton--the personal physician and former instructor. We knew each other, but not well back in the day. His note said he wanted to talk to me. No hello, no how are you Don. Just his email. I wrote him back a very pleasant note--How are you Dr. John, been a long time...blah blah. You've read my articles I suppose, so what do you want to talk about? He said, your criticism of P.R. I said, well, what would be the purpose of that conversation? Guess what happened next? Nothing. Crickets.
How did I feel? I just wrote another few articles. I don't care what he thinks or what any of them think. I've lost a good number of friends that go way back. And, it doesn't bother me in the least.
What bothers me the most frankly, are all the people who are actually ex followers, who aren't saying a god damn thing publicly. Some just don't want to rock the boat on their friendships with the loyalists.
Going silent into the night isn't my thing. Not everyone's thing of course. Anyway, my efforts to keep the truth out in the public eye will continue.
My book will be published next May, and there's my story of leaving the cult in there. The publisher is going to push hard to get me on podcasts, radio, TV, and when the opportunity presents itself, I will be more than happy to mention my life shaping cult experience, and give the hornet's nest a good kick right in the ass. -
Modified by Dojo at Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 10:28:18
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Silence ... and people who want to justify their own silence with the "friendly warnings"
"What bothers me the most frankly, are all the people who are actually ex followers, who aren't saying a god damn thing publicly. Some just don't want to rock the boat on their friendships with the loyalists."
Amen to this.
It's like the workplace bullying tactic of lateral violence to the whistleblower.
I am not claiming equivalency to the people throughout history who have stood up despite tremendous pressure and threat to remain silent-- but I am sure they faced cautions from their own opressed communities.
I posted my "trip to the herald" a little in response to that. I get very pissed off by the "just be careful" "they are bad people" "watch out" .... it's patronizing considering what I have been through.
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You're dead right on all that Susan.
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Yes, Susan you are doing so much to support the people who want to speak out, I think it makes a lot of difference, making it safer and more achievable.
sorry to hear you have lost friends, Dojo - I have to say I like bumping into my old premie friends because the fondness is still there and it's been so long now that I am used to the situation. It doesn't hurt, I don't expect them to be able to handle conversing with me for too long and just enjoy it while it lasts.
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Hi Dojo,
As I read your post, I slowly fell into a slightly tense and somber daze over your circumstances. Then the void filled with admiration for your courage and determination. Suddenly a big smile broke out!
Then I burst into laughter when an image of the good doctor being questioned by a reporter at Amaroo popped into my head: (A Current Affair: Greedy Guru)
"At this latest gathering, desciples dismiss any suggestion of a cult." "Goodness. Certainly not that." "And you're convinced of that?" "Yeah. No. It's obvious. Anyone... anyone looks at it for ten minutes and they can see that."
Like the time we were sitting on the floor in a empty ashram living room except for a plush chair and foot pillow reserved for Prem that was backed by flowers and an oversized picture of him in a golden crown:
"At least we're not in a cult," we reassured each other.
Thank you for everything you're doing and especially for the good news about your upcoming book! I don't personally know any former followers who know the truth but won't speak out, even if anonymously. I can imagine how frustrating it must be. Hopefully a few will come around.
Bob
Modified by lakeshore at Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 06:23:40
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That clip of Horton was Wasapremie's single most watched Instagram clip.
Everyone gets it who isn't in it. Like any other damn cult.
(but it ain't remotely close to a Guiness record...)
Modified by Susan at Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 22:49:35
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When I became part of DLM pretty well the only thing I accepted was the "if this meditation doesn't give you peace then you should leave it" blurb that the young guru had made. Living in Australia was peaceful and my teenage angst had settled but the peace he spoke of then came with guidelines. After about 6 years I realised I was no closer to the state of being and neither were the other premies whose claims of being in a state of almost being there had attracted me in the past. So I left spiritually and mentally if not completely physically.
John Horton had lots more beliefs he had accepted. Some of them he stated publicly in the major media of the day. All of them were false, none of his expectations and explanations have come true and yet he's still a true believer prepared to use his undoubted intelligence to promote Rawat and attack His critics. Now, all the youthful idealism and innocence has been transmuted into spite and superciliousness. That's what Rawat will do to you.
After the satsang I have dinner with the Guru's personal physician, Dr. John Horton. The doctor has an extensive theory concerning the stimulating impact of Divine Light meditation upon the pineal gland, whose increased activity will eliminate all of humanity's aggressive drives. He also explains that the Perfect Master's duodenal ulcer must be understood on three different levels:
1) the habitual physical level - constant jet lag, changes of diet, fatigue, stress; 2) the spiritual level: it is a sign of his compassion for mankind, like the stigmata on Christ's feet; 3) the cosmic level, as a revelation of universal suffering.
The diagnostician of Perfect Master's cosmic ulcer disturbs me more than any other premie I meet because he is the brightest, the most dedicated, the nicest of the lot. He is thirty, and has had a few acid trips, which he describes. I can't understand how they can have screwed up a first-rate mind to that degree. Some pathology of affluence is at work, as it is in Galloway, Hollowitz, all the other intelligent adult premies I talk to. Horton was an all-county football star as a teenager, went to college at Dartmouth and Columbia, has his medical degree from Duke University Medical School, had two years of Freudian analysis as part of his psychiatric training, and always considered he had everything in life for happiness. But he wanted more … at one point in our conversation, he says, as Hollowitz did: 'I wanted continual ecstasy!'
Man's most basic drive, Horton says, is the transcendence of his ego; the sex drive is nothing more than one form of ego transcendence; and the transcendence offered him by the Master's twenty-four-hour meditation technique is infinitely more blissful than sex.
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It's your site where I found that article... originally published in the New York Review of Bookshttps://prem-rawat-bio.org/magazines/1973/nyrb7374.html
My favorite part of the story is --
"Ken Kelley and I go to dinner at Trader Vic's with the men from Playboy and the Detroit Free Press. As we return to the Astrodome the kid has just finished his second satsang. He is wearing sumptuous red and gold vestments and a miter-shaped 'crown of crowns' which is the ultimate Indian symbol of sainthood. Below him his brother, Bhole Ji, is leading his Blue Aquarius band, composed of premies who play for nothing and give all the proceeds of their records to Divine Light. Bhole Ji is dressed head to toe in a silver sequin suit and matching silver shoes, and bounces around the podium going 'hubba hubba hubba.' At the left, a group of sullen mahatmas in pale saffron robes have struck languorous poses. I keep wondering which of them is handiest with a blackjack."
These reporters leaving the LOTU for Trader Vic's had Werewolves of London on repeat in my head.
No, really my favorite part is when they let Joan Apter ( who upon Rosslyn Carter's death compared herself to Jimmy Carter levels of decency on Facebook) have it--
Francine du Plessix Gray and Ken Kelley replies: "Like many other anguished persons reacting against the violence of the past decade, Ms. Apter expresses her interest in 'experiencing permanent peace.' As American writers who have spoken out numerous times in the past years for non-violence, we suggest that the most important single factor in any community's search for achieving peace is a competence for self-criticism; and that Ms. Apter's inability to censure the attempted murder of a critic by two of her colleagues specifically manifests that blind obedience and that inaptitude for self-judgment which are at the heart of history's most violent commitments." Plus, I just think very few humans rise to quite as cool seeming as Grey https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/becoming-francine-du-plessix-gray and I wish Ken Kelley had been able to finish Brave New Bliss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kelley_(journalist) ( I think Jossi is gone from Wikipedia... I see him swinging a rope around in a mesmerizing display of coordination and fluidity on Instagram all the time- I bet it's way more blissfull than So Hung) https://www.instagram.com/jossi_fresco/
https://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/kenkelley.html
Modified by Susan at Sun, Dec 10, 2023, 22:27:59
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Thanks for an informative post!
According to the young guru, "all a Rolls Royce is is a piece of tin."
Right. Just a worthless piece of tin and dirt. Just like his multi-million dollar mansions, Gulfstream jet, helicopter, former yacht, million-dollar stereo system and all the rest. Jesus came as a carpetner and this time he came as a king.
How easily I accepted these explanations without challenge and without any thought whatsoever. They were a desperately needed gilded pathway - a golden bridge - over my canyon of suppressed apprehensions. Just like when I rolled over and accepted the sixteen-year-old's marriage to a twenty-four-year-old airline stewardess.
That kind of infantile, la la land thinking based on an idealistic notion of ultimate transcendent consciousness combined with my immature need for it all to be true is a clear example of what cult-indoctrination does to a perfectly good mind.
Modified by lakeshore at Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 07:03:13
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The news conference where he looks like he has a 14 year old's thinly disguised rage when asked about his opulent lifestyle
~the life you call luxurious ain't luxurious at all, anybody else gets the life I do they blow apart in a thousand million zillion pieces~
nature/nurture disaster arrogant brat
(also skip the May/December thing on Netflix....it's based on Mary Kay LeToureau and intensely disturbing)
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