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https://resourcesforthetruthaboutpremrawat.com/
I am writing them because they have some facts incorrect about me- I was introduced to Knowledge at age 13 by my premie stepfather- my mother was not a premie.
But overall- happy to see another resource for people who Google Prem Rawat.
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What a nice clean clear site. Well done.
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An unexpected and welcome surprise! Well-written with unimpeachable witnesses recounting the most shocking revelations: the truth about Prem Rawat. Although I have my suspicions, I don't know who's behind it. Whoever they are, they have my enthusiastic support and appreciation.
My only suggestion would be to swap-out the wick candle for an "inside joke" cotton ball ghee candle. A similarly cynical fully dressed Arti tray might be a bit over-the-top.
These comments are in no way intended to diminish the value of the many courageous sites that came before, which exposed the same dark truth with the same or similar content. They are/were all (or mostly all  ) appropriate in the context of the times in which they were published. For me, the most inspiring aspects of earlier sites was the blatant, deliberate and sometimes over-the-top irreverence in response to the strict cult taboo against criticizing Prem Rawat, the phony "Perfect Master." While many people might consider some of the content crass by arm's length standards of polite and respectful civility, I took it as courageous voices of righteous indignation that perfectly captured my once vital, spontaneous and creative youthful spirit: just what I needed at the time... the real elan vital that was one of the first casualties of obedience to Prem Rawat.
Nevertheless, a "clean" site that pulls the rug out from under cheap, easy to grab low hanging fruit fodder for criticism - fig leaf excuses for dismissal - is most welcome.
Thank you to the publishers!
Or more succinctly: what 13 said!
Modified by lakeshore at Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 08:15:13
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Agree with everything you said!I would like to see the Iit candle replaced with EDrek's unlit match book middle finger photo!. But that is just me. Too snarky for what the site is portraying. Well done and classy!
BTW, JUST HOW DID I MISS THAT JASPER HAD DIED? I would think about him and wonder if he would ever come back. RIP to what appears to have been a really great guy!
Karen
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It's not just you, Karen. I thought about including Hilltop's unlit matchbook in my post until I decided against detracting from the first exposure of this excellent new site. The spirit and inspiration behind his appropriate response to Prem Rawat referring to his critics as unlit matches - after they courageously exposed the truth about him - can only be denied by someone living in a cave. My other point was how easily ex-premies were dismissed in part because of images like that: "nothing they say can possibly be true because, because look... look, see? They're so... they're so... mean!" (overlooking Prem Rawat's snarky and mean-spirited insults about marriage, relationships, work, bosses and even "snot-nose" kids)
Now someone's saying it nicely.
News of Jasper's heartbreaking death was never posted here.
Modified by lakeshore at Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 09:06:10
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It’s pretty obvious that the cult has been very successful at phobia indoctrination in reference to this site and ex-premies. Maybe some premies will read it who have been trained to fear the unlit matches here?
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I began posting here long after the premie CAC attacks, doxing, Raja Ji's labeling of ex-premies as a hate group and all the other attempts at smearing ex-premies, i.e., the cult's phobia indoctrination. So far be it from me to say anything more than how courageous and determined the original ex-premies were to expose the truth about Prem Rawat and warn others.
In my last year as a premie, the subject of EPO came up at a local event. A few premies - my friends - solumnly lowered and shook their heads: "It's really bad. Don't go there."
The only reason I took my first timid peek at EPO (which led me to this forum) was because the day came when the nonsense and pressures of the premie world pushed me over the edge. Premies drove me here, not Prem Rawat and Knowledge. I was still totally devoted to my Lord, begging for His grace and MMAO. Only when I began reading the eye-witness accounts on this forum - a few of which appear on this new site - along with the "Fourteen Objections" and everything else I was warned not to look at did it click that Prem Rawat is a fraud. At the exact time everything was falling apart for me, someone here posted "when the house of cards collapses, it collapses completely." And I'm so glad it did!
That's a (another!) long-winded way of suggesting that it takes a seminal event, a crisis of sorts, to jog a premie into bucking the phobia indoctrination.* I'm hopeful that these revelations and likely more to come will trigger such a crisis in more premies and lead them to these incredibly valuable and truthful sites.
I forgot to say thank you for posting the link to that new website!
* Never leave room for doubt, never criticize the master, don't listen to or trust your mind and so on.
Modified by lakeshore at Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 17:30:32
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“Raja Ji's labeling of ex-premies as a hate group”
All these years and all these posts I forget things or miss them. The hate group label was RJ’s idea?
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The first I heard of it was right after I left the cult. I was scouring the forum archives to catch-up on the early years. Jim Heller and RJ were together - lunch I believe. Referring to ex-premies, RJ said to Jim that "they're basically a hate group." Jim told the story in one of his posts and there was quite a reaction from other posters. All my references to "hate group" are based on that forum thread. I don't know if RJ started the "hate group" label or whether it was already circulating and he picked it up from others and passed it along.
There was more in Jim's post. He confronted RJ about Prem and RJ conceded the points Jim was making. I can't remember the details (they were overshadowed by the hate group comment) but it validated certain points the so called "hate group" was making. Go figure!
Maybe someone else has a better memory.
Modified by lakeshore at Wed, Nov 15, 2023, 23:24:11
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I recall Jim talking about that meeting it was super interesting. I didn't recall the "hate group" label I will see if I can find it. Yes, RJ could just have been repeating something another person said.
but I just found this archive
"No, seriously, I asked Raja Ji how his brother could even begin to
reconcile the past (early 70s) with then then-present (early 80s) and
he advised me to get some help from Alberto, Ricardo or one of the
other Euro-Raja-Ji-entourage thing. I said no, that what I really
wanted were some simple answers and that I was obviously wasting my
time talking with him, let alone any initiator. It was his brother I
needed to talk to. That's when Raja Ji said "don't bother." Even he
couldn't get a straight answer out of the Lord."
I don't think he had two meetings with RJ. This one he described is pre internet.
I also did a search for "hate group" "ex-premies" and the EPO book came up and there is a first mention of hate group attributed to Glasser.
It looks like Elan Vital actually called this a hate group on their website at some point too. Other cults use the exact same term for their critics.
Strange, I think we would be the first to come to their aid if Premies became victims of real hate crimes. I would be appalled. That could have been us. Criticism is not hate.
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You are right Susan. Paradoxically we are the opposite of a hate group - indeed we are not a group - but are actually folk that would be first to help premies - and are uniquely qualified to do so - (with a problem that they generally do not yet even realise that they have). A strange situation indeed.
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oh goodness, yes you are so right - far from hating premies we care about them and are able to help them when they want to leave the cult.
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if premies as a group were being targeted with more than just criticism, if lets say some other group or society at large was discriminating against them, or society was trying to take away their rights, or if they were victims of violence because of their beliefs, I would be speaking up for them and trying to help.
But having your leader scrutinized, even mocked, and questioning whether it is a cult, that's not hate.
I don't feel hate, I feel dismay.
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yes exactly, I feel dismay too. Are they really going to listen to Rawat for the rest of their lives? it only gets more uncomfortable, not easier with time, to tolerate such a break from reality.
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Oh no! I'm part of a dismay group that isn't even a group.
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What lesley said.
For Prem’s imaginary cnn interview in which a reporter is not the child of a premie. In 1997 a message board appeared when message boards were began connecting people all over the world on the internet. A bunch of your former followers and some of your current followers started discussions their past on the internet. Some were documented officers in your organizations. Many of your former followers expressed dismay about the years they spent following you. Some of the close associates described accounts of your disturbing behavior which was hidden from followers. How do you respond to that?
Prem- “it was never about me” “I can’t say why they say what they say”
CNN roll the tape of Prem’s adult own words.
Many of your former followers express dismay that these facts are not generally known and your education programs are in public schools, prisons even domestic violence courts. What is your response?
”It’s all different now but always the same….”
Do you think you owe the public transparency about your past?
“When will the press level with me?”
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We have no idea what Raja Ji was saying when he started appearing in India but at the least it's a refutal of his little brother. Going off with the greatet manmats of them all basically means you're a manmat and part of a "hate group."
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yes, it is good to see another source of pertinent information about Rawat that is more accessible to premies than the forbidden EPO. And yes it is a nice clear site that is easy to use. But I've had an ambivalent response to it.
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Wow Susan, did you create those graphics? They are beautiful, stunning. The site is fabulous. My response might be inappropriate considering the topics but there it is. Oh no, Jasper is dead. It seemed from his posts that he lived life to the full. His posts were very important in allowing us outsiders to see Rawat as insiders could see him.
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Nicely done DoJo! A very telling selection.
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